Re: [Emc-users] wiki request

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Chris Radek wrote: > > That was exactly my thinking too. But as others have pointed out, > there could be other things at work. Looseness/backlash in the quill > spline on my bridgeport is significant for instance. The first step > to compensating for it is measuring it, so I was concentrating

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: > > These are a little embarrassing, but here are some pictures of my > Pico/Pluto setup: > > http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Pluto/ > > The cores of the inductors seem to be heating and not the copper, so it > takes a while for the heat to be detected. It seems t

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: > > I can certainly try, but I am using the latest 2.2.5 which should be > fixed. I have pwmdir set true. I measured only logic levels on the dir > pin and analog on the PWM pin. The no load forward and reverse RPM > through the range (0 to 5500) was within 50 RPM. > OK, not

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Jeff Epler wrote: > Jon, > What *should* the driving signals look like at the input of your > amplifiers? I assume from your response that I'm making some kind of > rookie mistake here, compounded by the fact that I still don't > understand what the mistake is. No, maybe not. My amps were designe

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
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Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: > On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 13:06 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: > ...snip > >>would put the PWM duty cycle at 50%, the worst case. What is >>your DC supply voltage? >> >>Jon > > > 53 VDC unregulated with 500 uF of filter caps. So far the motor has had > no load. If you need more inf

Re: [Emc-users] wiki request

2008-06-07 Thread Chris Radek
On Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 10:06:25AM -0500, Andre' Blanchard wrote: > > What is the delay (in degrees of rotation) between reading the spindle > encoder and positioning the Z axis? > That delay would be in opposite directions going and coming out. That was exactly my thinking too. But as others h

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread sam sokolik
don't feel bad :) http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/ampmess.JPG sam - Original Message - From: "Kirk Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto > On Sat, 2008-06

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 13:32 -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote: ... snip > I can certainly try, but I am using the latest 2.2.5 which should be > fixed. I have pwmdir set true. I measured only logic levels on the dir > pin and analog on the PWM pin. The no load forward and reverse RPM > through the range (0

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 13:24 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: > Jeff Epler wrote: > > When you set pluto-servo.pwm.#.pwmdir TRUE, the output should be what you > > call "sign-magnitude": > > value after scale+offsetPWM Dir > > 0.0 0%FALSE > > 0.5

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jeff Epler
Jon, What *should* the driving signals look like at the input of your amplifiers? I assume from your response that I'm making some kind of rookie mistake here, compounded by the fact that I still don't understand what the mistake is. Jeff -

Re: [Emc-users] PWM Amp Basics

2008-06-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 13:18 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip > thread. The only discontinuity is that you WANT to break the > continuity of the linear axis to the spindle, or you'd have to > "rewind" the spindle for each threading pass. > > Jon Shoot, that is simpler than I thought, and makes

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 13:06 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: ...snip > would put the PWM duty cycle at 50%, the worst case. What is > your DC supply voltage? > > Jon 53 VDC unregulated with 500 uF of filter caps. So far the motor has had no load. If you need more information let me know. If you want, I

Re: [Emc-users] wiki request

2008-06-07 Thread Dave Engvall
On Jun 7, 2008, at 11:30 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > Andre' Blanchard wrote: > >> What is the delay (in degrees of rotation) between reading the >> spindle >> encoder and positioning the Z axis? >> That delay would be in opposite directions going and coming out. > Unless there is mechanical backlash

Re: [Emc-users] Putting Encoder on AC servomotor???

2008-06-07 Thread paul_c
On Thursday 05 June 2008, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote: > We've discussed various methods of handling larger data types, which > this would require. I don't recall ever seeing any discusssion about the usage of "data types".. > The good news is that once we have that, we can use > doubles anywhere

Re: [Emc-users] wiki request

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Andre' Blanchard wrote: > What is the delay (in degrees of rotation) between reading the spindle > encoder and positioning the Z axis? > That delay would be in opposite directions going and coming out. Unless there is mechanical backlash between the spindle itself and the spindle encoder, this d

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Jeff Epler wrote: > When you set pluto-servo.pwm.#.pwmdir TRUE, the output should be what you > call "sign-magnitude": > value after scale+offsetPWM Dir > 0.0 0%FALSE > 0.5 50%FALSE > 1.0

Re: [Emc-users] PWM Amp Basics

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: > Sometimes the the spindle context keeps me from seeing things as they > should be. More thinking aloud. An encoder still acts the same whether > it's on a linear axis or spindle. So if the spindle moves, the distance > is counted, and sometimes, it's a very long move. The del

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: > > I haven't looked at the control signals with a scope. One inductor was > much hotter than the other. I assumed because it was because I was > driving the motor mostly one direction. I was planning on using 110 > Volts for the motor supply. > Hmm, synchronous antiphase woul

Re: [Emc-users] Mazak codewheel

2008-06-07 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Dave Engvall wrote: >Hi, >Does anyone happen to remember where the front panel codewheel to jog >code resides? > > Uh - what? :) Jogging (with a wheel) used to be done by halui or something, but it's in the RT motion controller now. If you're asking about HAL files to set it up, that shou

[Emc-users] Mazak codewheel

2008-06-07 Thread Dave Engvall
Hi, Does anyone happen to remember where the front panel codewheel to jog code resides? TIA Dave - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Sou

Re: [Emc-users] wiki request

2008-06-07 Thread Dave Engvall
On Jun 7, 2008, at 7:23 AM, Chris Radek wrote: > On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 03:57:49PM -0700, Dave Engvall wrote: >> OK, more dumb questions. Would a short ball screw do what you want? >> It certainly would be more precise than acme rod; or do I miss the >> intent? > > I'm not sure I could get the b

Re: [Emc-users] wiki request

2008-06-07 Thread Andre' Blanchard
At 09:23 AM 6/7/2008, you wrote: >On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 03:57:49PM -0700, Dave Engvall wrote: > > OK, more dumb questions. Would a short ball screw do what you want? > > It certainly would be more precise than acme rod; or do I miss the > > intent? > >I'm not sure I could get the ball of an indic

Re: [Emc-users] wiki request

2008-06-07 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Jun 06, 2008 at 03:57:49PM -0700, Dave Engvall wrote: > OK, more dumb questions. Would a short ball screw do what you want? > It certainly would be more precise than acme rod; or do I miss the > intent? I'm not sure I could get the ball of an indicator lever to ride in the track on a bal

Re: [Emc-users] Pico on Pluto

2008-06-07 Thread Jeff Epler
When you set pluto-servo.pwm.#.pwmdir TRUE, the output should be what you call "sign-magnitude": value after scale+offsetPWM Dir 0.0 0%FALSE 0.5 50%FALSE 1.0100%* FALSE