Re: [Emc-users] Aluminum sources

[bari]

There are several:

http://phoenixmecano.com/product-line/alubos/

http://www.hammondmfg.com/sinkbox.htm

Look on the Google for aluminum extrusions for enclosures: Several will 
sell you lengths to ~21ft or cut to length.

On 04/12/2016 08:32 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
> Any ideas where to find anodized profiles and aluminum sheet like this?
>
> https://www.frontpanelexpress.com/products/enclosures/
>
> We have sent quite a bit of money their way, would like to do this in house.
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Re: [Emc-users] Aluminum sources

[bari]

Forgot about Wakefield:

http://www.wakefield-vette.com/products/electronic-packaging-systems/cases-system-enclosures.aspx

On 04/12/2016 08:32 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
> Any ideas where to find anodized profiles and aluminum sheet like this?
>
> https://www.frontpanelexpress.com/products/enclosures/
>
> We have sent quite a bit of money their way, would like to do this in house.
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Re: [Emc-users] Aluminum sources

[ceenbot]

For cost comparison purposes we have custom dies made in China for $900 and 
anodized aluminum is about 2x the market price of bulk aluminum.  Our 
extrusions were anywhere from 2" - 7" wide and we generally had a pallet or two 
made at a time.  


Dennis


>  ---Original Message---
>  From: Erik Friesen 
>  To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
>  Subject: [Emc-users] Aluminum sources
>  Sent: Apr 12 '16 20:36
>  
>  Any ideas where to find anodized profiles and aluminum sheet like this?
>  
>  https://www.frontpanelexpress.com/products/enclosures/
>  
>  We have sent quite a bit of money their way, would like to do this in house.

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Re: [Emc-users] Aluminum sources

[Dave Cole]

Anodizing seems like an easy thing to have done in midwest USA.   There 
seems to be a plating/anodizing shop in most cities of over 100K in the 
midwest.
Extrusions will be more difficult but there are a number of aluminum 
extruders in Indiana, Michigan and Ohio.The trick will be finding an 
extrusion die that you can use or you will need to have one made.  I 
don't think they are that difficult to make and chances are that an 
extrusion company can get you hooked up with a die maker.
The 80-20 company is not far from me and I know there is another company 
that offers comparable extrusions in Fort Wayne as well. For whatever 
reason there seems to be a number of aluminum extrusion companies along 
the 80/90 tollway which goes across Indiana and Ohio.There are a 
couple or large extrusion companies that make extrusions for RVs near 
Elkhart.   You can see the aluminum ingots stacked up outside the plants 
right off the tollway.

Dave

On 4/12/2016 9:32 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
> Any ideas where to find anodized profiles and aluminum sheet like this?
>
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[Emc-users] Aluminum sources

[Erik Friesen]

Any ideas where to find anodized profiles and aluminum sheet like this?

https://www.frontpanelexpress.com/products/enclosures/

We have sent quite a bit of money their way, would like to do this in house.
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Re: [Emc-users] Probe switch / limit switch

[Jim Craig]

Sebastian,

You got the concept absolutely correct. Thanks for the feedback. I will 
give it a shot tomorrow when I get back to the machine.

Thanks,

Jim

On 4/12/2016 12:12 PM, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
> On 04/12/2016 10:40 AM, Jim Craig wrote:
>> I am helping a buddy build a plasma cutter. The z axis assembly we are
>> using includes a probe switch so that when the torch tip moves up a
>> slight amount relative to the normal torch position it will trip the
>> switch saying the torch is on the metal to be cut.
> So you probe down until the switch on the Z assembly touches the work,
> and you use that Z level as your "top of material"?  That sounds good.
>
>
>> It is simple enough to use this switch as a probe switch and we will do
>> so. However I would like to use it as a z-axis limit switch when a probe
>> move is not being conducted.
>>
>> Is there any reason I cannot use the motion.motion-type pin to disable
>> the switch as a limit switch during a probe move? It is stated in the
>> man page that it is a debugging pin.
> Interesting idea.  So you would use something like this (.hal pseudo-code):
>
> Z-switch-in => motion.probe-input
> ((motion.motion-type != Probing) && Z-switch-in) => axis.Z.neg-lim-sw-in
>
> I can't think of a reason why that wouldn't work.
>
> It will mean the -Z soft limit is wrong since it is statically set to
> the largest possible value in the ini file, while the actual hard limit
> moves up and down as you load materials with different thickness on the
> machine.
>
> I wonder if you can set ini.Z.min_limit to the probed Z value as part of
> your "find the top of material" subroutine.
>
> I'm not sure how that would all behave, but i'd love to hear your results!
>
>
>> Is there a better way to do this?
> Not that I can think of.
>
>


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Re: [Emc-users] Probe switch / limit switch

[Sebastian Kuzminsky]

On 04/12/2016 10:40 AM, Jim Craig wrote:
> I am helping a buddy build a plasma cutter. The z axis assembly we are
> using includes a probe switch so that when the torch tip moves up a
> slight amount relative to the normal torch position it will trip the
> switch saying the torch is on the metal to be cut.

So you probe down until the switch on the Z assembly touches the work, 
and you use that Z level as your "top of material"?  That sounds good.


> It is simple enough to use this switch as a probe switch and we will do
> so. However I would like to use it as a z-axis limit switch when a probe
> move is not being conducted.
>
> Is there any reason I cannot use the motion.motion-type pin to disable
> the switch as a limit switch during a probe move? It is stated in the
> man page that it is a debugging pin.

Interesting idea.  So you would use something like this (.hal pseudo-code):

Z-switch-in => motion.probe-input
((motion.motion-type != Probing) && Z-switch-in) => axis.Z.neg-lim-sw-in

I can't think of a reason why that wouldn't work.

It will mean the -Z soft limit is wrong since it is statically set to 
the largest possible value in the ini file, while the actual hard limit 
moves up and down as you load materials with different thickness on the 
machine.

I wonder if you can set ini.Z.min_limit to the probed Z value as part of 
your "find the top of material" subroutine.

I'm not sure how that would all behave, but i'd love to hear your results!


> Is there a better way to do this?

Not that I can think of.


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[Emc-users] Probe switch / limit switch

[Jim Craig]

I am helping a buddy build a plasma cutter. The z axis assembly we are 
using includes a probe switch so that when the torch tip moves up a 
slight amount relative to the normal torch position it will trip the 
switch saying the torch is on the metal to be cut.

It is simple enough to use this switch as a probe switch and we will do 
so. However I would like to use it as a z-axis limit switch when a probe 
move is not being conducted.

Is there any reason I cannot use the motion.motion-type pin to disable 
the switch as a limit switch during a probe move? It is stated in the 
man page that it is a debugging pin.

Is there a better way to do this?

What say you?

Thanks,

Jim

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Re: [Emc-users] ER-20A nuts for TTS adaptors

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 12 April 2016 11:49:20 Ken Strauss wrote:

> The ER40 nut that I ordered directly from Gloster definitely has a
> ball bearing.
>
That is what I thought I was getting.

But the ER20 doesn't really have room for a serious bearing, one that I 
couldn't crush the balls in with  a 10" crescent wrench.  Any bearing 
ball that would fit in that space would have to be .0625" balls maximum, 
probably smaller. And if not  crushed, the races badly brinneled at 
least than the normal snugging up torque.

I wish I had some of your bigger "toys". ;-)  OTOH, this has done nearly 
everything I've asked it to do so far, including making and then  
driving its own molding cutter about 4" across.

Thanks Ken.

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Re: [Emc-users] ER-20A nuts for TTS adaptors

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 12 April 2016 11:33:16 Todd Zuercher wrote:

> Techniks sells nuts that they claim are better than ball bearing nuts,
> because of their "Powercoat".
> http://www.techniksusa.com/metal/pwrctnt.htm
> And they do tighten down very nicely, at least when new.  After
> they've been used for a few years I'm a bit skeptical.  I've found the
> finish does wear off of the collet contacting surface fairly quickly, 
> I think the tightening advantage comes more from the coating on the
> threads, that seems to last longer than the part against the collet
> nose.  Still it does wear off eventually.
>
> How often should these things be replaced?  We have some that have
> been in service for 10+ years of multiple daily tool replacement. (and
> it shows.)
>
> Worst tool holder/nut combo I've used were some HSK63F ER40 tool
> holders from T-ToolUSA.  We've had a lot of trouble with the threads
> on these nuts and tool holders galling.  One hung up so bad I almost
> couldn't get it off, tearing out large chunks of thread in the
> process.  And these were only torqued to 90ft/lbs (using a proper
> torque wrench).

I haven't yet experienced any of that, but ER-40's are way above my pay 
grade as the biggest spindle I have is a 1 horse, spinning an R8 socket.  
I do use a 10" crescent to pull these up once the spindle is pinned but 
doubt if I've ever exceeded 50 lb/ft even when trying to keep a tap from 
slipping. My spindle pinner is home-made, and any more torque than that 
may shear the mounting bolts holding the block carrying the pin to the 
clamp collar on the spindle housing.  TBT, I didn't use a big enough 
pair of bolts. 4mm's IIRC.

I did get a full set of 1-13mm ER20 metric collets just now too, so I 
should be able to get a decent grip on the shank of most any tap my 
spindle can turn. 3/8-18 and 10mm need lots of fractional turn pecking 
so I'd best not try anything any bigger anyway.  ER20 collets with 
square rear sockets can be had, at seriously ohmygawd prices though.

Thanks Todd.

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Re: [Emc-users] ER-20A nuts for TTS adaptors

[Ken Strauss]

The ER40 nut that I ordered directly from Gloster definitely has a ball
bearing.

> -Original Message-
> From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@wdtv.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 11:38 AM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] ER-20A nuts for TTS adaptors
>
> On Tuesday 12 April 2016 10:56:04 andy pugh wrote:
>
> > On 12 April 2016 at 15:48, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > I bought 5 of what were purported to be the higher torque capable
> > > ER-20 nuts, implying the cone in the nut was ball bearing supported.
> > >  What I received yesterday were very well finished nuts, but the
> > > front cone was not hiding a ball bearing.
> >
> > Were these the ones from Gloster tooling?
>
> I'd have to say no, Andy.  No trace of Gloster tooling anyplace in the
shipping
> notice, spamassassin caught it and I saved it anyway. Took me a while to
find
> it as I'd moved it to the ham directory, then to keep once sa-learn had
seen it,
> instead of back to the inbox.  The china post bag says its from: JIANWEI
> HUANG, at a long gobbledygook address in Guangdong China.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] ER-20A nuts for TTS adaptors

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 12 April 2016 10:56:04 andy pugh wrote:

> On 12 April 2016 at 15:48, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I bought 5 of what were purported to be the higher torque capable
> > ER-20 nuts, implying the cone in the nut was ball bearing supported.
> >  What I received yesterday were very well finished nuts, but the
> > front cone was not hiding a ball bearing.
>
> Were these the ones from Gloster tooling?

I'd have to say no, Andy.  No trace of Gloster tooling anyplace in the 
shipping notice, spamassassin caught it and I saved it anyway. Took me a 
while to find it as I'd moved it to the ham directory, then to keep once 
sa-learn had seen it, instead of back to the inbox.  The china post bag 
says its from: JIANWEI HUANG, at a long gobbledygook address in 
Guangdong China.

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Re: [Emc-users] ER-20A nuts for TTS adaptors

[Todd Zuercher]

Techniks sells nuts that they claim are better than ball bearing nuts, because 
of their "Powercoat".   
http://www.techniksusa.com/metal/pwrctnt.htm
And they do tighten down very nicely, at least when new.  After they've been 
used for a few years I'm a bit skeptical.  I've found the finish does wear off 
of the collet contacting surface fairly quickly,  I think the tightening 
advantage comes more from the coating on the threads, that seems to last longer 
than the part against the collet nose.  Still it does wear off eventually.

How often should these things be replaced?  We have some that have been in 
service for 10+ years of multiple daily tool replacement. (and it shows.)

Worst tool holder/nut combo I've used were some HSK63F ER40 tool holders from 
T-ToolUSA.  We've had a lot of trouble with the threads on these nuts and tool 
holders galling.  One hung up so bad I almost couldn't get it off, tearing out 
large chunks of thread in the process.  And these were only torqued to 90ft/lbs 
(using a proper torque wrench).

- Original Message -
From: "Gene Heskett" 
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:48:09 AM
Subject: [Emc-users] ER-20A nuts for TTS adaptors

Greetings all;

I bought 5 of what were purported to be the higher torque capable ER-20 
nuts, implying the cone in the nut was ball bearing supported.  What I 
received yesterday were very well finished nuts, but the front cone was 
not hiding a ball bearing. Marked as ER-20-A, they are quite well 
finished, so I will keep them, but be aware that there are less than 
truthfull descriptions out there on fleabay. I think we all knew that, 
but hope springs eternal I guess, so I bit on what seemed to be a good 
deal... :(

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Re: [Emc-users] ER-20A nuts for TTS adaptors

[andy pugh]

On 12 April 2016 at 15:48, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> I bought 5 of what were purported to be the higher torque capable ER-20
> nuts, implying the cone in the nut was ball bearing supported.  What I
> received yesterday were very well finished nuts, but the front cone was
> not hiding a ball bearing.

Were these the ones from Gloster tooling?



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[Emc-users] ER-20A nuts for TTS adaptors

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

I bought 5 of what were purported to be the higher torque capable ER-20 
nuts, implying the cone in the nut was ball bearing supported.  What I 
received yesterday were very well finished nuts, but the front cone was 
not hiding a ball bearing. Marked as ER-20-A, they are quite well 
finished, so I will keep them, but be aware that there are less than 
truthfull descriptions out there on fleabay. I think we all knew that, 
but hope springs eternal I guess, so I bit on what seemed to be a good 
deal... :(

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[Emc-users] ?????? ?????? the sherline 3 axis

[??????????]

But, I used the sherline 3-axis to control the mechanism, the motors moved. The 
other interface didn't work.




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On 12 April 2016 at 14:37, ?? <610013...@qq.com> wrote:
> I have 3 axis. 3-DOF parallel mehcanism. I use the command: sudo comp 
> --install trivkins.c . The system shows that I have the wrong command? Do you 
> know the correct command?

The command is "halcompile" but you should have no need to recompile trivkins.

If you have a parallel kinematics then trivkins is not appropriate.

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Re: [Emc-users] 回复： the sherline 3 axis

[andy pugh]

On 12 April 2016 at 14:37, 开心小八怪 <610013...@qq.com> wrote:
> I have 3 axis. 3-DOF parallel mehcanism. I use the command: sudo comp 
> --install trivkins.c . The system shows that I have the wrong command? Do you 
> know the correct command?

The command is "halcompile" but you should have no need to recompile trivkins.

If you have a parallel kinematics then trivkins is not appropriate.

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[Emc-users] ?????? the sherline 3 axis

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I have 3 axis. 3-DOF parallel mehcanism. I use the command: sudo comp --install 
trivkins.c . The system shows that I have the wrong command? Do you know the 
correct command?




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: Re: [Emc-users] the sherline 3 axis



On 12 April 2016 at 05:18, ?? <610013...@qq.com> wrote:
> I tried to use the 9axis to control my mechanism, but it didn't work. Then, I 
> used the  sherline 3-axis to control X Y Z one by one. It works.

How many axes do you actually have?


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Re: [Emc-users] the sherline 3 axis

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 12 April 2016 07:48:56 andy pugh wrote:

> On 12 April 2016 at 05:18, 开心小八怪 <610013...@qq.com> wrote:
> > I tried to use the 9axis to control my mechanism, but it didn't
> > work. Then, I used the  sherline 3-axis to control X Y Z one by one.
> > It works.
>
> How many axes do you actually have?

Andy, this poster may be useing a translator utility as I do not think 
English is the original poster's first language.

On this side of the pond axes or axe's would be plural of axe, usually 
used to chop wood. I am not particularly fond of axis's to describe the 
plural of axis, but it may translate better to the original poster.

Or perhaps ask how many different driven directions the original poster's 
machine can move in?

We are a bit short on what the real problem might be.  I suspect quite a 
bit of how LCNC is calibrated to the axis of the machine may need a 
translatable phrasing.

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Re: [Emc-users] the sherline 3 axis

[andy pugh]

On 12 April 2016 at 05:18, 开心小八怪 <610013...@qq.com> wrote:
> I tried to use the 9axis to control my mechanism, but it didn't work. Then, I 
> used the  sherline 3-axis to control X Y Z one by one. It works.

How many axes do you actually have?


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