Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 07 September 2016 01:41:24 Dave Caroline wrote:

> That looks like a board I would not recommend look close to the white
> sockets near the axis outputs, it has series resistors for the driver
> optos, these of course are in the driver as well, this means half
> current through the opto and failure to work.
>
> I was working with a free issue board where I met that problem before

So have I, Dave, and I wound up bypassing that particular opto in the 
board I used to drive my G0704, but this one doesn't have the opto's 
that I know of.  Because they are slow, I've found them far more trouble 
than they are worth as a safety measure.  I'd much druther trust a good 
grounding system, star topology of course.

Thanks Dave.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 07 September 2016 01:05:39 Chris Kelley wrote:

> What do you need to know about it? The last eBay link you posted has a
> picture that shows the pinout.

Yes and no. No linkage between that pinout, and what pin this is on the 
db25 connector. And its apparently a near 100% mis-match between a 
5i25's useage of the pins and whatever the hell mach3 uses.  So unless 
that is available in the password locked .pdf or .doc files, these cards 
are only usefull with a mach3 install.  And utterly worthless to me. I 
have lots more on my plate with the mechanical conversion of this 
Sheldon 11x36 than to have to write a new firmware driver for a 5i25 
before I can turn a single motor with something besides my function 
generator.

ATM, I'm at least 3 days of carving on the saddle yet as I am determined 
that it have a full width, brass gib on the front, and a swarf proof 
tunnel to protect the X ball screw.  I have boots coming for the Z 
screw, but will have to make the stationary cups, 4 of them, that they 
will be clamped to.  Room to crush those boots is one of the reasons I 
bought a somewhat longer screw than the square thread. 

> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
> > On Tuesday 06 September 2016 21:54:23 Ken Strauss wrote:
> >> Old auctions stay around on eBay for quite a while if you search by
> >> number.
> >
> > Try this link then.
> >  >909=all=1902836742015>
> >
> > He is still selling the same board, at the same price, at:
> >  >-For-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Input-Hot-/251751383909?hash=item3a9d8d4365
> >:g:R0IAAOSw-4BXbQID>
> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net]
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 9:51 PM
> >> > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> >> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a
> >> > breakout board
> >>
> >> I
> >>
> >> > just bought two of.
> >> >
> >> > On Tuesday 06 September 2016 19:55:38 Gregg Eshelman wrote:
> >> > > The link goes nowhere. Got the eBay item number?
> >> >
> >> > The auction has ended I guess. So while I may be able to find the
> >> > item number, its likely no longer valid.  Mutter. Practicing my
> >> > 15 minute monolog...
> >> >
> >> > But I have sent the vendor a message, so we'll what develops from
> >> > that.
> >> >
> >> > Thanbks Gregg.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
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> >> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[Dave Caroline]

That looks like a board I would not recommend look close to the white
sockets near the axis outputs, it has series resistors for the driver
optos, these of course are in the driver as well, this means half
current through the opto and failure to work.

I was working with a free issue board where I met that problem before

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Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[Chris Kelley]

What do you need to know about it? The last eBay link you posted has a
picture that shows the pinout.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 September 2016 21:54:23 Ken Strauss wrote:
>
>> Old auctions stay around on eBay for quite a while if you search by
>> number.
>>
> Try this link then.
> 
>
> He is still selling the same board, at the same price, at:
> 
>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 9:51 PM
>> > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout
>> > board
>>
>> I
>>
>> > just bought two of.
>> >
>> > On Tuesday 06 September 2016 19:55:38 Gregg Eshelman wrote:
>> > > The link goes nowhere. Got the eBay item number?
>> >
>> > The auction has ended I guess. So while I may be able to find the
>> > item number, its likely no longer valid.  Mutter. Practicing my 15
>> > minute monolog...
>> >
>> > But I have sent the vendor a message, so we'll what develops from
>> > that.
>> >
>> > Thanbks Gregg.
>> >
>> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
>> > --
>> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
>> > Genes Web page 
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 06 September 2016 21:54:23 Ken Strauss wrote:

> Old auctions stay around on eBay for quite a while if you search by
> number.
>
Try this link then.


He is still selling the same board, at the same price, at:


> > -Original Message-
> > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 9:51 PM
> > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout
> > board
>
> I
>
> > just bought two of.
> >
> > On Tuesday 06 September 2016 19:55:38 Gregg Eshelman wrote:
> > > The link goes nowhere. Got the eBay item number?
> >
> > The auction has ended I guess. So while I may be able to find the
> > item number, its likely no longer valid.  Mutter. Practicing my 15
> > minute monolog...
> >
> > But I have sent the vendor a message, so we'll what develops from
> > that.
> >
> > Thanbks Gregg.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
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> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[Ken Strauss]

Old auctions stay around on eBay for quite a while if you search by number.

> -Original Message-
> From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 9:51 PM
> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board
I
> just bought two of.
>
> On Tuesday 06 September 2016 19:55:38 Gregg Eshelman wrote:
>
> > The link goes nowhere. Got the eBay item number?
>
> The auction has ended I guess. So while I may be able to find the item
> number, its likely no longer valid.  Mutter. Practicing my 15 minute
> monolog...
>
> But I have sent the vendor a message, so we'll what develops from that.
>
> Thanbks Gregg.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
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>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page 
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 06 September 2016 19:55:38 Gregg Eshelman wrote:

> The link goes nowhere. Got the eBay item number?

The auction has ended I guess. So while I may be able to find the item 
number, its likely no longer valid.  Mutter. Practicing my 15 minute 
monolog...
 
But I have sent the vendor a message, so we'll what develops from that.

Thanbks Gregg.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[Gregg Eshelman]

The link goes nowhere. Got the eBay item number?
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Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[Danny Miller]

On 9/6/2016 6:03 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Tuesday 06 September 2016 18:21:14 dan...@austin.rr.com wrote:
>
> Back on the list Danny.
>
>> Mesaflash allows you to change the IO configuration, but only to a
>> number of premade configs, not arbitrary.  The GPIO has few limits but
>> the location of special-purpose STEPx/DIRx pairs are fixed. But those
>> locations change based on the mesaflash file you use.
>>
>> Danny
> I understand that, but without the docs on these boards, I'd be playing a 
> game of 25! to find the one correct config.
>
> We'll see what response I get from the vendor about the password in the next 
> 24 hours.
>
> In the meantime I have figured out how to put a pretty good swarf shield over 
> the X screw, and may duplicate it on the bottom of the saddle so even the air 
> hose will have a hard time moving junk into the screw.  And since this 
> barrier is on the bottom of the cross-slider, but leaves a catch trench in 
> the top, so I'll duplicate it on top so there is a smooth top on the 
> cross-feed. I'll have to machine a shallow trench on the top so the top 
> shield sits flush.

We can't open that ebay order URL, BTW.
I made a 7i92 breakout board that holds the card, provides 5v and 24v 
power, set up all my AM882H drives on 10-pin ribbon IDCs  for greatly 
simplified wiring, optos in the problematic inductive prox sensors, and 
made a DB25 connection to be a harness for all the accessory wiring 
(homing, estop, etc).  Screwed a few things, had to do some rework, but 
totally worth it.

Danny

>>  Gene Heskett  wrote:
>>> Greetings all;
>>>
>>> Those breakout boards I bought 2 of arrived today, and are
>>> apparently pin assigned according to what a mach3 system might use,
>>> including the male db25 on the pcb.  It apparently has pre-assigned
>>> output pin groups that are about as incompatible with a 5i25 as
>>> could be. I never did find where the X axis for my lathe comes out,
>>> but the Z is apparently in the B group of 4.  I ran the spindle,
>>> expecting to see the analog of the pwm someplace, but if its there,
>>> it is routed to the db15 on the other end of the card.  So I go to
>>> look at the pdf of the board thats on the mini cd-r, and found it,
>>> and a .doc file, both of which are password protected. Its not that
>>> much money, and it would cost thru the nose to put a stop payment on
>>> it, but I am tempted anyway.  What a maroon!
>>>
>>> The board is this one.
>>> >> d07f20cc1c0c4c0dc182854920714f1f1b6b4303135b734363275f603a92bce078a86
>>> 06039949992940667a6a5eaaa1a5b149716a727e1150b418a4ab24233537bf34af243
>>> 133af38bb12285aa66465540b00>
>>>
>>> Anybody recognize it, or has used it?  Better yet, knows how to
>>> unlock the pdf?  Nothing I have here, including libreoffice, can
>>> touch the pdf or the .doc files for the card.  All sorts of adv
>>> stuff for his driver boxes, you can look at them, but nothing on the
>>> card itself.
>>>
>>> I'd love to be able to buy about a 6 pack of cnc4pc's old C1G BoB's,
>>> as it has an led for state on every pin, a great troubleshooting
>>> tool.  But its been disco'd. Even at 80 plus bucks it was a good
>>> card.
>>>
>>> Thanks all, for any help on this.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>>> --
>>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>>>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
>>> Genes Web page 
>>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 06 September 2016 18:21:14 dan...@austin.rr.com wrote:

Back on the list Danny.

> Mesaflash allows you to change the IO configuration, but only to a
> number of premade configs, not arbitrary.  The GPIO has few limits but
> the location of special-purpose STEPx/DIRx pairs are fixed. But those
> locations change based on the mesaflash file you use.
>
> Danny

I understand that, but without the docs on these boards, I'd be playing a game 
of 25! to find the one correct config.

We'll see what response I get from the vendor about the password in the next 24 
hours.

In the meantime I have figured out how to put a pretty good swarf shield over 
the X screw, and may duplicate it on the bottom of the saddle so even the air 
hose will have a hard time moving junk into the screw.  And since this barrier 
is on the bottom of the cross-slider, but leaves a catch trench in the top, so 
I'll duplicate it on top so there is a smooth top on the cross-feed. I'll have 
to machine a shallow trench on the top so the top shield sits flush.

>  Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > Those breakout boards I bought 2 of arrived today, and are
> > apparently pin assigned according to what a mach3 system might use,
> > including the male db25 on the pcb.  It apparently has pre-assigned
> > output pin groups that are about as incompatible with a 5i25 as
> > could be. I never did find where the X axis for my lathe comes out,
> > but the Z is apparently in the B group of 4.  I ran the spindle,
> > expecting to see the analog of the pwm someplace, but if its there,
> > it is routed to the db15 on the other end of the card.  So I go to
> > look at the pdf of the board thats on the mini cd-r, and found it,
> > and a .doc file, both of which are password protected. Its not that
> > much money, and it would cost thru the nose to put a stop payment on
> > it, but I am tempted anyway.  What a maroon!
> >
> > The board is this one.
> >  >d07f20cc1c0c4c0dc182854920714f1f1b6b4303135b734363275f603a92bce078a86
> >06039949992940667a6a5eaaa1a5b149716a727e1150b418a4ab24233537bf34af243
> >133af38bb12285aa66465540b00>
> >
> > Anybody recognize it, or has used it?  Better yet, knows how to
> > unlock the pdf?  Nothing I have here, including libreoffice, can
> > touch the pdf or the .doc files for the card.  All sorts of adv
> > stuff for his driver boxes, you can look at them, but nothing on the
> > card itself.
> >
> > I'd love to be able to buy about a 6 pack of cnc4pc's old C1G BoB's,
> > as it has an led for state on every pin, a great troubleshooting
> > tool.  But its been disco'd. Even at 80 plus bucks it was a good
> > card.
> >
> > Thanks all, for any help on this.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > Genes Web page 
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[dannym]

Mesaflash allows you to change the IO configuration, but only to a number of 
premade configs, not arbitrary.  The GPIO has few limits but the location of 
special-purpose STEPx/DIRx pairs are fixed. But those locations change based on 
the mesaflash file you use.

Danny
 
 Gene Heskett  wrote: 
> Greetings all;
> 
> Those breakout boards I bought 2 of arrived today, and are apparently pin 
> assigned according to what a mach3 system might use, including the male 
> db25 on the pcb.  It apparently has pre-assigned output pin groups that 
> are about as incompatible with a 5i25 as could be. I never did find 
> where the X axis for my lathe comes out, but the Z is apparently in the 
> B group of 4.  I ran the spindle, expecting to see the analog of the pwm 
> someplace, but if its there, it is routed to the db15 on the other end 
> of the card.  So I go to look at the pdf of the board thats on the mini 
> cd-r, and found it, and a .doc file, both of which are password 
> protected. Its not that much money, and it would cost thru the nose to 
> put a stop payment on it, but I am tempted anyway.  What a maroon!
> 
> The board is this one.
> 
> 
> Anybody recognize it, or has used it?  Better yet, knows how to unlock 
> the pdf?  Nothing I have here, including libreoffice, can touch the pdf 
> or the .doc files for the card.  All sorts of adv stuff for his driver 
> boxes, you can look at them, but nothing on the card itself.
> 
> I'd love to be able to buy about a 6 pack of cnc4pc's old C1G BoB's, as 
> it has an led for state on every pin, a great troubleshooting tool.  But 
> its been disco'd. Even at 80 plus bucks it was a good card.
> 
> Thanks all, for any help on this.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page 
> 
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[Emc-users] Need unlocked copy of a pdf for a breakout board I just bought two of.

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

Those breakout boards I bought 2 of arrived today, and are apparently pin 
assigned according to what a mach3 system might use, including the male 
db25 on the pcb.  It apparently has pre-assigned output pin groups that 
are about as incompatible with a 5i25 as could be. I never did find 
where the X axis for my lathe comes out, but the Z is apparently in the 
B group of 4.  I ran the spindle, expecting to see the analog of the pwm 
someplace, but if its there, it is routed to the db15 on the other end 
of the card.  So I go to look at the pdf of the board thats on the mini 
cd-r, and found it, and a .doc file, both of which are password 
protected. Its not that much money, and it would cost thru the nose to 
put a stop payment on it, but I am tempted anyway.  What a maroon!

The board is this one.


Anybody recognize it, or has used it?  Better yet, knows how to unlock 
the pdf?  Nothing I have here, including libreoffice, can touch the pdf 
or the .doc files for the card.  All sorts of adv stuff for his driver 
boxes, you can look at them, but nothing on the card itself.

I'd love to be able to buy about a 6 pack of cnc4pc's old C1G BoB's, as 
it has an led for state on every pin, a great troubleshooting tool.  But 
its been disco'd. Even at 80 plus bucks it was a good card.

Thanks all, for any help on this.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: [Emc-users] Spurious edge on startup

[Jeff Epler]

I suspect this is related to a problem that was discussed on the
developers' list in July:
https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=mid=20160721150035.GA46232%40unpythonic.net

Basically, we noticed that the charge-pump pin would be incorrectly
activated "for a huge fraction of a second" during startup, when it
should only be activated when the machine is taken out of estop.

The cause turned out to be the way the "net" (and "link") commands can
set a default value for a signal, coupled with the fact that it takes a
long time at startup before pins like iocontrol.0.user-enable-out get
driven with their correct value.

We have implemented a fix in master branch only (so the fix will first
be in version 2.8.0, whenever that is ready), as discussed in that
thread.
https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commit/106fcd8a02b569b7ee8c017af7905856a704535b

If the initial value (before halcmd 'start') of the *writer* pin on the
signal is correct, then one workaround is to make sure that you net/link
the writer pin *first*.  For example, the original problem can be fixed
by changing
net estop-out charge-pump.enable iocontrol.0.user-enable-out
to
net estop-out iocontrol.0.user-enable-out charge-pump.enable
or
net estop-out iocontrol.0.user-enable-out   
  
net estop-out charge-pump.enable

Otherwise, the workaround would be to link any reader pin, then
explicitly set a value onto the signal, and then link the rest of the
signals to the pin:
net estop-out charge-pump.enable
sets estop-out false
net estop-out iocontrol.0.user-enable-out

In a future version with the fix, this workaround should be unnecessary
but harmless.

Jeff

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Re: [Emc-users] Need inserts, 8mm A60, both internal and external threading tools

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 06 September 2016 04:19:32 Andy Pugh wrote:

> > On 6 Sep 2016, at 04:29, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >
> >  Can I beat that price, or get a
> > better insert someplace else?
>
> Have you tried eBay for a box of 10?
>
-ENOTENOUGHCOFFEE, I forgot to say thank you Andy.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Need inserts, 8mm A60, both internal and external threading tools

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 06 September 2016 04:19:32 Andy Pugh wrote:

> > On 6 Sep 2016, at 04:29, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >
> >  Can I beat that price, or get a
> > better insert someplace else?
>
> Have you tried eBay for a box of 10?
>
No, but now that I have the correct numbers, I will.  It took 
considerable googling time, an hour or more, useing the tool numbers 
acid inked on them to just to get the correct (I hope) numbers for the 
inserts. It's a nicely made pair of tools, although I've removed about 
1/16" of metal on the back side of the internal tool in order to have 
retrace clearance when the starter hole is a bit below 7/16" in 
diameter. When I purchased them, I was disappointed to discover the 
paper that came with them, did not contain the chip numbers.

Whats the diff when they add a PMA to the part number and its black, not 
TiN coated?

They seem to be cheaper. Around $45/box of 10. The 8mm size is about 2x 
the $ of the 11mm and 16mm versions are going for. These TiN coated ones 
I've been breaking leave a lot of "hair" on the A2 steel that needs 2 or 
3 trips over it with a suitable nut to iron the hair down smooth, even 
with 5 spring passes.

I've found perhaps 10 vendors showing 08ERA60 and 5 or 6 showing 08IRA60, 
but only one with  HHIP brand TiN coated versions, but that listing is 
asking $32 for one TiN version, so I've sent a message asking how many 
for that price.  And while the add says 08ERA60, the pix is its mirror, 
the 08IRA60.

ebays busted search throws in 10 listings for the 11mm and 16mm versions 
just to make it look like they have a boatload of people selling them.
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Re: [Emc-users] Need inserts, 8mm A60, both internal and external threading tools

[Andy Pugh]

> On 6 Sep 2016, at 04:29, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
>  Can I beat that price, or get a 
> better insert someplace else?  

Have you tried eBay for a box of 10?



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Re: [Emc-users] Spurious edge on startup

[Andy Pugh]

> On 6 Sep 2016, at 00:39, Danny Miller  wrote:
> 
> presume the first servo-thread cycle has a glitchy value on startup, 
> probably the 7i92 itself.

You _might_ be able to change the thread order of the edge comp. though if it 
is anywhere after the 7i92 read it should be OK. 

Maybe a 3 cycle debounce on the input is a fix? 
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