Re: [Emc-users] Spare 6i25?

[Ralph Stirling]

Thanks for putting it back in stock on the store site!
I've ordered one.

We originally had the 5i25 in a very, very old Dell
full size tower, and that computer was undesirable
for multiple reasons.  I had a Dell 790 that was working
well with the 5i25, and ordered what I thought was
the same model - turned out what I got was very small
form factor, with no PCI slots, only PCIe.  My friend
loves the size of the SFF unit, so decided he would
rather upgrade to the 6i25 and keep the SFF computer.
I can always use another 5i25 in my lab, as I have plenty
of older computers with PCI slots, so I'll swap him for a
small charge.

Thanks again.
-- Ralph

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On Fri, 24 Jun 2022, Ralph Stirling wrote:

> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 15:28:17 +
> From: Ralph Stirling 
> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> 
> To: "emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net" 
> Subject: [Emc-users] Spare 6i25?
>
> Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell?  Helping a friend 
> set up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer doesn't 
> have pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work.  Mesaus and Mesanet are out of 
> stock.
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> Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] g or m code to home a rotary axis?

[Feral Engineer]

On fanuc and controls, g28 trumps absolute position, so the rotary will
just turn to index and reset

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 9:49 PM gene heskett  wrote:

> On 6/24/22 20:25, andy pugh wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 at 23:48, gene heskett  wrote:
> >
> >> I could re-home it in 1% of that time if there was a *-code to do
> >> that from within a program.
> > G10?
> >
> > Maybe G10 and a MOD on the current position.
> That might do the job. Can it fix G53 too? Or do I care? IDK.
> >
> > You can just say "A = 0" with a touch-off.
> In this case its B, plus that is not programmable and you
> have to stop the program and do it manually.
> > So why does your use-case make this a homing question?
> I might be 500,000 or more degrees from 0.00 at the end of a
> smoothing cut with a small tool.  Right now I'm carving hard
> maple. I increased the speed for rotary by 10x, but that to be
> well utilized, needs a 200k rev spindle, and this one tops at 24k.
> It does it, but that also warms up the motor, which has a 3d
> printed in carbon fiber filled PETG, shaft adapter which should
> be kept below 150C else it might soften.
>
> Thanks Andy.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] g or m code to home a rotary axis?

[gene heskett]

On 6/24/22 20:25, andy pugh wrote:

On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 at 23:48, gene heskett  wrote:


I could re-home it in 1% of that time if there was a *-code to do
that from within a program.

G10?

Maybe G10 and a MOD on the current position.

That might do the job. Can it fix G53 too? Or do I care? IDK.


You can just say "A = 0" with a touch-off.

In this case its B, plus that is not programmable and you
have to stop the program and do it manually.

So why does your use-case make this a homing question?

I might be 500,000 or more degrees from 0.00 at the end of a
smoothing cut with a small tool.  Right now I'm carving hard
maple. I increased the speed for rotary by 10x, but that to be
well utilized, needs a 200k rev spindle, and this one tops at 24k.
It does it, but that also warms up the motor, which has a 3d
printed in carbon fiber filled PETG, shaft adapter which should
be kept below 150C else it might soften.

Thanks Andy.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: [Emc-users] (No Subject)

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On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 at 19:21, fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users
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>
> i bought a 5C spin indexer
> one of the first thing i noticed was the indexing plate is not secured to the 
> spindle
> is there a reason for not keying it

Sounds like a typical Chinese low-end "this could never work, but is
cheaper than the ones that do work, so we get all the sales" product.

I wonder, looking at old ads from the Victorian era if this is new or
not. There are all sorts of things that look to be based on a false
premise, but low-end Chinese stuff seems to be new on the "true
premise, designed wrong, not tested, ship anyway" part of the space.

On the plus side, you probably paid less for the metal than you could
buy the stock for, and it's nearly functional.

But I do wonder if Victorian Birmingham shipped this sort of "can't
work, never worked, we don't care" scrap metal.

-- 
atp
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designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
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Re: [Emc-users] g or m code to home a rotary axis?

[andy pugh]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 at 23:48, gene heskett  wrote:

> I could re-home it in 1% of that time if there was a *-code to do
> that from within a program.

G10?

Maybe G10 and a MOD on the current position.

You can just say "A = 0" with a touch-off.

So why does your use-case make this a homing question?


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[Emc-users] g or m code to home a rotary axis?

[gene heskett]

Greetings all;

I'm having a problem with the extreme number of turns my newly
built B axis is having to move. Restoring to 0.00 degrees from where
it ended up is promising to be a pita in terms of time to unwind it
so as to restore a starting position at 0.00 degrees is potentially
over half an hour.

Not to mention the wear and tear of the worm drive with all that
useless spinning.

I could re-home it in 1% of that time if there was a *-code to do
that from within a program. I can probably speed it up in the *.ini
file to 2 or 3x faster but its still wear and tear on the drive when
a reset to "home" is less than 359.99 degrees away for a rotary.

Is there such a critter, but not documented?

Thank you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Re: [Emc-users] Spare 6i25?

[gene heskett]

On 6/24/22 14:41, Leonardo Marsaglia wrote:

Hi Ralph,

This is more a question out of curiosity than a solution but, could a
PCI-EXPRESS to PCI adapter work? Because those are not expensive at all.

El vie, 24 jun 2022 a las 14:45, Ralph Stirling (<
ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu>) escribió:


Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell?  Helping a friend
set up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer doesn't
have pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work.  Mesaus and Mesanet are out
of stock.

Thanks,
-- Ralph


Another possibility is and old Dell Dimension, from one of the pc recyclers
that Florida has under every palm tree. buy it driveless so they can keep
the winders license, shouldn't be more than a big buck these days. 5i25's
work fine in those, I'm using 3 with SSD's for drives. The SSD is 
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Re: [Emc-users] ProLight 2000 Re: Spare 6i25?

[Feral Engineer]

I got rid of the old controller, swapped out for DMM 400w 57n servos and
used a 7i76e because of the analog pots on the operator panel. I could've
used g320x drivers and amt102 encoders, but it was a complete retrofit
because i wanted to do a full build with the students as a learning
experience. I have the old dc servos, have installed amt102 encoders,
acquired some dc drives and will be putting those into an emco compact 5
that was given to me.

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:29 PM Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users <
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Did you keep the original Animatics servo controller? I have one of these
> mills but the only software I know of that works with it is the MS-DOS
> software from Light Machines.
> It's so antique it needs LIM EMS memory to load gcode into. Newer PCs with
> a lot of integrated IO have their high memory area so fragmented that even
> if they have a total of 64K free there's no pieces large enough for LIM EMS
> 4.0 (or any other EMS manager) to remap into a single piece.
>
>
> One of the Calumet universities had a CAD-LAB program that developed CAM
> software specifically for the ProLight 2000. They had Windows, Mac, and
> Linux versions. (That would be Windows 9x and Mac OS 8 or 9.) There's an
> archive of the site but whomever grabbed it all failed to get the contents
> of their FTP server so unless someone out there who was involved in the
> CAD-LAB kept a copy, that software is *poof* gone.
>
> But CAM was all it was. It didn't directly control the PLM2000, it made
> gcode to feed through the crusty old DOS software.
>
> I did get a copy of a bunch of information and software for those
> Animatics servo controllers from a guy at Moog-Animatics. He worked for
> Animatics and stayed on after the merger. He found it all on an old backup
> drive.
> Let me know if you want a copy of it.
>
> One trick the controller can do, which wasn't exploited by Light Machines,
> is it can have gcode loaded into its internal RAM to run headless and
> continually repeat it. Could setup up a fixture to hold parts and a cycle
> start button to have the mill crank out a lot of duplicates. But Light
> Machines did their software so a constant serial connection is required to
> the control PC. If the connection is interrupted it's just like hitting the
> e-stop.
>
> If you've made the PLM2000 work with the Animatic controller and Linux CNC
> or something else, I'm very interested. I'd love to get mine working
> because I've not been able to find a PC old enough to be able to run EMS.
>
> Would be nice to have my old 80286 with 12 megabytes of RAM. 512K on the
> mainboard and three full length ISA cards. The first one backfilled the
> main RAM to 640K and all the rest on the three was divided between hardware
> EMS and XMS. Something like that, with all the extra RAM as EMS, could run
> some very large gcode to a PLM2000.
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 12:58:02 PM MDT, Feral Engineer <
> theferalengin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How funny, I did a prolight 2000 with some students at my old high school.
> I'll be putting up a little montage video on my YouTube channel pretty soon
>
> Phil T.
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> 20% off of your order 
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 1:45 PM Ralph Stirling <
> ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell?  Helping a
> friend
> > set up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer
> doesn't
> > have pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work.  Mesaus and Mesanet are
> out
> > of stock.
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[Emc-users] ProLight 2000 Re: Spare 6i25?

[Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users]

Did you keep the original Animatics servo controller? I have one of these mills 
but the only software I know of that works with it is the MS-DOS software from 
Light Machines.
It's so antique it needs LIM EMS memory to load gcode into. Newer PCs with a 
lot of integrated IO have their high memory area so fragmented that even if 
they have a total of 64K free there's no pieces large enough for LIM EMS 4.0 
(or any other EMS manager) to remap into a single piece.


One of the Calumet universities had a CAD-LAB program that developed CAM 
software specifically for the ProLight 2000. They had Windows, Mac, and Linux 
versions. (That would be Windows 9x and Mac OS 8 or 9.) There's an archive of 
the site but whomever grabbed it all failed to get the contents of their FTP 
server so unless someone out there who was involved in the CAD-LAB kept a copy, 
that software is *poof* gone.

But CAM was all it was. It didn't directly control the PLM2000, it made gcode 
to feed through the crusty old DOS software.

I did get a copy of a bunch of information and software for those Animatics 
servo controllers from a guy at Moog-Animatics. He worked for Animatics and 
stayed on after the merger. He found it all on an old backup drive.
Let me know if you want a copy of it.

One trick the controller can do, which wasn't exploited by Light Machines, is 
it can have gcode loaded into its internal RAM to run headless and continually 
repeat it. Could setup up a fixture to hold parts and a cycle start button to 
have the mill crank out a lot of duplicates. But Light Machines did their 
software so a constant serial connection is required to the control PC. If the 
connection is interrupted it's just like hitting the e-stop.

If you've made the PLM2000 work with the Animatic controller and Linux CNC or 
something else, I'm very interested. I'd love to get mine working because I've 
not been able to find a PC old enough to be able to run EMS. 

Would be nice to have my old 80286 with 12 megabytes of RAM. 512K on the 
mainboard and three full length ISA cards. The first one backfilled the main 
RAM to 640K and all the rest on the three was divided between hardware EMS and 
XMS. Something like that, with all the extra RAM as EMS, could run some very 
large gcode to a PLM2000.

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 12:58:02 PM MDT, Feral Engineer 
 wrote: 

How funny, I did a prolight 2000 with some students at my old high school.
I'll be putting up a little montage video on my YouTube channel pretty soon

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 1:45 PM Ralph Stirling 
wrote:

> Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell?  Helping a friend
> set up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer doesn't
> have pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work.  Mesaus and Mesanet are out
> of stock.


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Re: [Emc-users] Spare 6i25?

[Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users]

Would probably be easier to get an older PC with a PCI slot.


On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 12:40:37 PM MDT, Leonardo Marsaglia 
 wrote: 


Hi Ralph,

This is more a question out of curiosity than a solution but, could a
PCI-EXPRESS to PCI adapter work? Because those are not expensive at all.

El vie, 24 jun 2022 a las 14:45, Ralph Stirling (<
ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu>) escribió:

> Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell?  Helping a friend
> set up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer doesn't
> have pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work.  Mesaus and Mesanet are out
> of stock.
>
> Thanks,
> -- Ralph


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Re: [Emc-users] Spare 6i25?

[andrew beck]

And I got few in new Zealand

On Sat, 25 Jun 2022, 06:52 Peter C. Wallace,  wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Jun 2022, Ralph Stirling wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 15:28:17 +
> > From: Ralph Stirling 
> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > 
> > To: "emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net" 
> > Subject: [Emc-users] Spare 6i25?
> >
> > Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell?  Helping a
> friend set up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer
> doesn't have pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work.  Mesaus and Mesanet
> are out of stock.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -- Ralph
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Re: [Emc-users] Spare 6i25?

[Feral Engineer]

How funny, I did a prolight 2000 with some students at my old high school.
I'll be putting up a little montage video on my YouTube channel pretty soon

Phil T.
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On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 1:45 PM Ralph Stirling 
wrote:

> Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell?  Helping a friend
> set up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer doesn't
> have pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work.  Mesaus and Mesanet are out
> of stock.
>
> Thanks,
> -- Ralph
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Re: [Emc-users] Spare 6i25?

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On Fri, 24 Jun 2022, Ralph Stirling wrote:


Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 15:28:17 +
From: Ralph Stirling 
Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"

To: "emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net" 
Subject: [Emc-users] Spare 6i25?

Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell?  Helping a friend set 
up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer doesn't have 
pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work.  Mesaus and Mesanet are out of stock.

Thanks,
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Re: [Emc-users] Spare 6i25?

[Leonardo Marsaglia]

Hi Ralph,

This is more a question out of curiosity than a solution but, could a
PCI-EXPRESS to PCI adapter work? Because those are not expensive at all.

El vie, 24 jun 2022 a las 14:45, Ralph Stirling (<
ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu>) escribió:

> Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell?  Helping a friend
> set up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer doesn't
> have pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work.  Mesaus and Mesanet are out
> of stock.
>
> Thanks,
> -- Ralph
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[Emc-users] (No Subject)

[fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users]

i bought a 5C spin indexer
one of the first thing i noticed was the indexing plate is not secured to the 
spindle
is there a reason for not keying it



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[Emc-users] Spare 6i25?

[Ralph Stirling]

Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell?  Helping a friend set 
up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer doesn't have 
pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work.  Mesaus and Mesanet are out of stock.

Thanks,
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