Re: [Emc-users] Settlement on CoC topic

2021-07-13 Thread Dave Cole 

Did I miss an incident that prompted this?


Apparently not. I have asked the same question and nothing has been brought up, 
cited, etc.
I have no idea why it was written.

Unless this COC adds more features to LCNC or fixes bugs, does the dishes, or 
launders my clothes etc, I am going to ignore it.

I recommend the same.

Carry on.

I don't think it is worth the brain space.

Dave



On 7/13/2021 10:30 AM, Greg Bernard wrote:

Although I'm pretty much a "lurker" on this list, I have been reading it
daily for 7 or 8 years and can't recall any instances of rudeness,
bullying, or other untoward behavior by anyone. There have been a couple of
instances of someone interjecting a political opinion which was either
silently ignored or promptly dismissed with an admonition that this was not
the place for such expression and that was the end of it. Did I miss an
incident that prompted this?


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021, 8:31 AM Gene Heskett  wrote:


On Tuesday 13 July 2021 07:44:53 Mark Wendt wrote:


And there are a lot of us who are pretty disgusted with the attitudes
of those on this list who feel that something like this is totally
necessary.

Mark

Put me down in that column. I am all for ignoring it, and this list going
back to one of the most helpfull lists on the net.  This is destroying
us.


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:37 AM Valerio Bellizzomi


wrote:

I am disgusted by the reactions of detractors of the CoC which Jeff
proposed, and by being attacked privately like an enemy for my own
freely-shared opinions.

That is why I am going to set digest mode on for the mailing list,
so that I will read messages once every month and not be harassed
every day by this useless anti-CoC endeavour, which is a distraction
that diverts my time from useful work. So you know that whatever you
post it will be read at end of the month and not immediately.

Taking now to private mail messages off-list: I have set a filter
for marking as spam everything from this list with off-list
destination to my private address, exception for the list admins.
Those who insist writing off-list to this private address will be
reported to their respective mail providers, again exception for the
list admins.


Stay well and God be with you.






 Forwarded Message 
From: Bruce Layne 
To: Valerio Bellizzomi 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users - OFF LIST] Code of Conduct
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:03:31 -0400
Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
  Thunderbird/78.11.0



On 7/12/21 9:21 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
See if that endures after the mess.

That sounds a bit like an arsonist taking credit for a fire.  The
mess was caused by the Code of Conduct being forced on the
community, and now it's threatening to destroy the community.

 From my perspective, it sounds like, "LinuxCNC has never needed a
Code of Conduct, but we're going to force you to have one, and if
you resist, we'll destroy LinuxCNC.  You can either give in to our
demands and exploit LinuxCNC as a vehicle to extend our political
beliefs, or we'll destroy LinuxCNC and you'll have nothing."

The sad part is, the second law of thermodynamics implies that it's
easier to destroy rather than create.  There are plenty of recent
examples of a few politically motivated individuals destroying
projects, doxing people and getting them fired, bullying
corporations into making political statements, etc.  It's called
cancel culture and it's feared with good reason.  It took a lot of
work to build Rome but it was comparatively a simple and easy thing
for the Visigoths to destroy it.

As an engineer, I see myself as a builder - someone who is working
to reverse entropy to create, and not a modern day Visigoth using
entropy to destroy what others have created.







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Re: [Emc-users] Settlement on CoC topic

2021-07-13 Thread Greg Bernard 
Although I'm pretty much a "lurker" on this list, I have been reading it
daily for 7 or 8 years and can't recall any instances of rudeness,
bullying, or other untoward behavior by anyone. There have been a couple of
instances of someone interjecting a political opinion which was either
silently ignored or promptly dismissed with an admonition that this was not
the place for such expression and that was the end of it. Did I miss an
incident that prompted this?


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021, 8:31 AM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Tuesday 13 July 2021 07:44:53 Mark Wendt wrote:
>
> > And there are a lot of us who are pretty disgusted with the attitudes
> > of those on this list who feel that something like this is totally
> > necessary.
> >
> > Mark
>
> Put me down in that column. I am all for ignoring it, and this list going
> back to one of the most helpfull lists on the net.  This is destroying
> us.
>
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:37 AM Valerio Bellizzomi
> > 
> >
> > wrote:
> > > I am disgusted by the reactions of detractors of the CoC which Jeff
> > > proposed, and by being attacked privately like an enemy for my own
> > > freely-shared opinions.
> > >
> > > That is why I am going to set digest mode on for the mailing list,
> > > so that I will read messages once every month and not be harassed
> > > every day by this useless anti-CoC endeavour, which is a distraction
> > > that diverts my time from useful work. So you know that whatever you
> > > post it will be read at end of the month and not immediately.
> > >
> > > Taking now to private mail messages off-list: I have set a filter
> > > for marking as spam everything from this list with off-list
> > > destination to my private address, exception for the list admins.
> > > Those who insist writing off-list to this private address will be
> > > reported to their respective mail providers, again exception for the
> > > list admins.
> > >
> > >
> > > Stay well and God be with you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  Forwarded Message 
> > > From: Bruce Layne 
> > > To: Valerio Bellizzomi 
> > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users - OFF LIST] Code of Conduct
> > > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:03:31 -0400
> > > Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
> > >  Thunderbird/78.11.0
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/12/21 9:21 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
> > > See if that endures after the mess.
> > >
> > > That sounds a bit like an arsonist taking credit for a fire.  The
> > > mess was caused by the Code of Conduct being forced on the
> > > community, and now it's threatening to destroy the community.
> > >
> > > From my perspective, it sounds like, "LinuxCNC has never needed a
> > > Code of Conduct, but we're going to force you to have one, and if
> > > you resist, we'll destroy LinuxCNC.  You can either give in to our
> > > demands and exploit LinuxCNC as a vehicle to extend our political
> > > beliefs, or we'll destroy LinuxCNC and you'll have nothing."
> > >
> > > The sad part is, the second law of thermodynamics implies that it's
> > > easier to destroy rather than create.  There are plenty of recent
> > > examples of a few politically motivated individuals destroying
> > > projects, doxing people and getting them fired, bullying
> > > corporations into making political statements, etc.  It's called
> > > cancel culture and it's feared with good reason.  It took a lot of
> > > work to build Rome but it was comparatively a simple and easy thing
> > > for the Visigoths to destroy it.
> > >
> > > As an engineer, I see myself as a builder - someone who is working
> > > to reverse entropy to create, and not a modern day Visigoth using
> > > entropy to destroy what others have created.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
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> > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> >
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>
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Settlement on CoC topic

2021-07-13 Thread Gene Heskett 
On Tuesday 13 July 2021 07:44:53 Mark Wendt wrote:

> And there are a lot of us who are pretty disgusted with the attitudes
> of those on this list who feel that something like this is totally
> necessary.
>
> Mark

Put me down in that column. I am all for ignoring it, and this list going 
back to one of the most helpfull lists on the net.  This is destroying 
us.

> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:37 AM Valerio Bellizzomi
> 
>
> wrote:
> > I am disgusted by the reactions of detractors of the CoC which Jeff
> > proposed, and by being attacked privately like an enemy for my own
> > freely-shared opinions.
> >
> > That is why I am going to set digest mode on for the mailing list,
> > so that I will read messages once every month and not be harassed
> > every day by this useless anti-CoC endeavour, which is a distraction
> > that diverts my time from useful work. So you know that whatever you
> > post it will be read at end of the month and not immediately.
> >
> > Taking now to private mail messages off-list: I have set a filter
> > for marking as spam everything from this list with off-list
> > destination to my private address, exception for the list admins.
> > Those who insist writing off-list to this private address will be
> > reported to their respective mail providers, again exception for the
> > list admins.
> >
> >
> > Stay well and God be with you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Forwarded Message 
> > From: Bruce Layne 
> > To: Valerio Bellizzomi 
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users - OFF LIST] Code of Conduct
> > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:03:31 -0400
> > Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
> >  Thunderbird/78.11.0
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/12/21 9:21 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
> > See if that endures after the mess.
> >
> > That sounds a bit like an arsonist taking credit for a fire.  The
> > mess was caused by the Code of Conduct being forced on the
> > community, and now it's threatening to destroy the community.
> >
> > From my perspective, it sounds like, "LinuxCNC has never needed a
> > Code of Conduct, but we're going to force you to have one, and if
> > you resist, we'll destroy LinuxCNC.  You can either give in to our
> > demands and exploit LinuxCNC as a vehicle to extend our political
> > beliefs, or we'll destroy LinuxCNC and you'll have nothing."
> >
> > The sad part is, the second law of thermodynamics implies that it's
> > easier to destroy rather than create.  There are plenty of recent
> > examples of a few politically motivated individuals destroying
> > projects, doxing people and getting them fired, bullying
> > corporations into making political statements, etc.  It's called
> > cancel culture and it's feared with good reason.  It took a lot of
> > work to build Rome but it was comparatively a simple and easy thing
> > for the Visigoths to destroy it.
> >
> > As an engineer, I see myself as a builder - someone who is working
> > to reverse entropy to create, and not a modern day Visigoth using
> > entropy to destroy what others have created.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Emc-users mailing list
> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
>
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Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: [Emc-users] Settlement on CoC topic

2021-07-13 Thread Mark Wendt 
And there are a lot of us who are pretty disgusted with the attitudes of
those on this list who feel that something like this is totally necessary.

Mark

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:37 AM Valerio Bellizzomi 
wrote:

> I am disgusted by the reactions of detractors of the CoC which Jeff
> proposed, and by being attacked privately like an enemy for my own
> freely-shared opinions.
>
> That is why I am going to set digest mode on for the mailing list, so
> that I will read messages once every month and not be harassed every
> day by this useless anti-CoC endeavour, which is a distraction that
> diverts my time from useful work. So you know that whatever you post it
> will be read at end of the month and not immediately.
>
> Taking now to private mail messages off-list: I have set a filter for
> marking as spam everything from this list with off-list destination to
> my private address, exception for the list admins.
> Those who insist writing off-list to this private address will be
> reported to their respective mail providers, again exception for the
> list admins.
>
>
> Stay well and God be with you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> From: Bruce Layne 
> To: Valerio Bellizzomi 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users - OFF LIST] Code of Conduct
> Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:03:31 -0400
> Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
>  Thunderbird/78.11.0
>
>
>
> On 7/12/21 9:21 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
> See if that endures after the mess.
>
> That sounds a bit like an arsonist taking credit for a fire.  The mess
> was caused by the Code of Conduct being forced on the community, and
> now it's threatening to destroy the community.
>
> From my perspective, it sounds like, "LinuxCNC has never needed a Code
> of Conduct, but we're going to force you to have one, and if you
> resist, we'll destroy LinuxCNC.  You can either give in to our demands
> and exploit LinuxCNC as a vehicle to extend our political beliefs, or
> we'll destroy LinuxCNC and you'll have nothing."
>
> The sad part is, the second law of thermodynamics implies that it's
> easier to destroy rather than create.  There are plenty of recent
> examples of a few politically motivated individuals destroying
> projects, doxing people and getting them fired, bullying corporations
> into making political statements, etc.  It's called cancel culture and
> it's feared with good reason.  It took a lot of work to build Rome but
> it was comparatively a simple and easy thing for the Visigoths to
> destroy it.
>
> As an engineer, I see myself as a builder - someone who is working to
> reverse entropy to create, and not a modern day Visigoth using entropy
> to destroy what others have created.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Emc-users] Settlement on CoC topic

2021-07-13 Thread Valerio Bellizzomi 
I am disgusted by the reactions of detractors of the CoC which Jeff
proposed, and by being attacked privately like an enemy for my own
freely-shared opinions.

That is why I am going to set digest mode on for the mailing list, so
that I will read messages once every month and not be harassed every
day by this useless anti-CoC endeavour, which is a distraction that
diverts my time from useful work. So you know that whatever you post it
will be read at end of the month and not immediately.

Taking now to private mail messages off-list: I have set a filter for
marking as spam everything from this list with off-list destination to
my private address, exception for the list admins.
Those who insist writing off-list to this private address will be
reported to their respective mail providers, again exception for the
list admins.


Stay well and God be with you.






 Forwarded Message 
From: Bruce Layne 
To: Valerio Bellizzomi 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users - OFF LIST] Code of Conduct
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 00:03:31 -0400
Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/78.11.0



On 7/12/21 9:21 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
See if that endures after the mess.

That sounds a bit like an arsonist taking credit for a fire.  The mess
was caused by the Code of Conduct being forced on the community, and
now it's threatening to destroy the community.

>From my perspective, it sounds like, "LinuxCNC has never needed a Code
of Conduct, but we're going to force you to have one, and if you
resist, we'll destroy LinuxCNC.  You can either give in to our demands
and exploit LinuxCNC as a vehicle to extend our political beliefs, or
we'll destroy LinuxCNC and you'll have nothing."

The sad part is, the second law of thermodynamics implies that it's
easier to destroy rather than create.  There are plenty of recent
examples of a few politically motivated individuals destroying
projects, doxing people and getting them fired, bullying corporations
into making political statements, etc.  It's called cancel culture and
it's feared with good reason.  It took a lot of work to build Rome but
it was comparatively a simple and easy thing for the Visigoths to
destroy it.

As an engineer, I see myself as a builder - someone who is working to
reverse entropy to create, and not a modern day Visigoth using entropy
to destroy what others have created.







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