Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 2:07 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 24 April 2019 03:42:00 andy pugh wrote: > > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 01:30, Gene Heskett > wrote: > > > Several, your personal config probably makes a far bigger difference > > > than the actual version number of the kernel

Re: [Emc-users] Vacuum bed for router Re: Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread Todd Zuercher
I work with MDF a lot, and it's dimensional stability leaves much to be desired. I would not want to use it for a table surface if I didn't have to. It WILL warp, and sag with time, and changes in relative humidity can cause a 4x8 sheet to shrink or grow by as much as 1/8 inch. It is great

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread Les Newell
But I think that is allowed for in the design, when you tension the traveller loop you pull the belt on one side in contact with one set of fixed belt faces, and the other side of the pulley to the other set of faces. Huh, I didn't think of that. Yes, that would work. Availability of longer

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-24 Thread dave engvall
Jon, You are making me feel old; just a fact of life. :-) IIRC I had the first PPMC board set out the door. Once one got the connector tied down that beastie was rock solid. The communication diagnostic was a life saver. Easy way to confirm that the communication was working and it

Re: [Emc-users] Vacuum bed for router Re: Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 14:56, Gene Heskett wrote: > The best sealer is shellac. 2 coats of "2 lb cut" sprayed on should do > it. The product I linked to is basically shellac in a can. I used it for sealing MDF foundry patterns with very satisfactory results. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 14:47, andy pugh wrote: > When I get back the machine tonight I will report back with the last > thing seen on the screen. I tried the suggested new config, and this is what I get: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZw-nLf_XBg Immediately after "started apache http server"

Re: [Emc-users] [Off topic] Might interest Gene, radio pirates.

2019-04-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 24 April 2019 13:28:19 andy pugh wrote: > https://hackaday.com/2019/04/24/radio-piracy-on-the-high-seas/ Chuckle, yes, those were the days. Brought on by the bbc's stiff upper lip about music, which of course just had to be paid for by the listeners. Cheers, Gene Heskett --

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019, Mark wrote: Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 06:31:00 -0400 From: Mark Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC On 4/24/19 06:26, andy pugh wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 11:09,

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 24 April 2019 07:59:37 andy pugh wrote: > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 12:02, Les Newell wrote: > > One issue I see with off the shelf belts is that none of them have a > > symmetrical profile. T section looks symmetrical but if you check > > the drawings it isn't. > > T section is what

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread Les Newell
10m, 35mm width T5 for $60 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10Meters-T5-open-ended-timing-belt-T5-30-W-30mm-T5-timing-belt-polyurethane-with-steel/2051875939.html That's a good price. Two of those would do both sides of a 4M machine. That is steel cored which is stiffer than Kevlar. Pity

Re: [Emc-users] Vacuum bed for router Re: Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread Les Newell
But much easier damaged than the 6mm mdf. 'Foamex' type foam board should be tough enough. You would generally use a sacrificial spoil board over it anyway. Les ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread bari
The dev that spent years cleaning up and fixing the rtai.org to make it work with LCNC and hosting it at https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI just got tired of things. rtai.org would not give him credit and treated him like a pest even though they heavily borrowed his fixes (even at xenomai). Fortune

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-24 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/24/2019 08:45 AM, dave engvall wrote: Jon, You are making me feel old; just a fact of life. :-) IIRC I had the first PPMC board set out the door. Once one got the connector tied down that beastie was rock solid. The communication diagnostic was a life saver. Easy way to confirm that

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread bari
What was the problem or error that occurred when building the RTAI kernel using that repo? We were just discussing how he made that as bullet proof as possible. We are really interested in what problems occurred. On 4/24/19 2:42 AM, andy pugh wrote: > And there is the problem. I have never yet

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread Mark Wendt
On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:40 AM Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > > Okay, so latency is the biggest concern with preempt-rt then. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > Yes, in my experience RTAI has better latency numbers especially on slower > hardware. On fast hardware Preempt-RT and RTAI can have similar

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread Todd Zuercher
Is there someplace where there is a good set of instructions or a tutorial about building an RTAI kernel for Linuxcnc? I have been contemplating taking a crack at trying to build one for a particular Machine I have, because it uses an ISA card and I have not been able to get any of the Linuxcnc

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 14:36, Les Newell wrote: > Huh, I didn't think of that. Yes, that would work. Availability of > longer lengths at sane prices seems to be a bit of an issue though. 10m, 35mm width T5 for $60

Re: [Emc-users] Vacuum bed for router Re: Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 24 April 2019 05:18:49 Les Newell wrote: > I really like that idea. Getting the slope and pocket dimensions just > right would take some experimentation but if it works it would save a > lot of hassle. I dunno if MDF would work as a top plate though. That > stuff leaks like a sieve,

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-24 Thread Joe Hildreth
Andy, As I understand it the PCI Address configuration space is handled mostly by the BIOS and the CPU. The bus is enumerated by the BIOS and then configuration takes place. A good lecture on this topic can be found at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihgMcP2353I HTH, Joe > >

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-24 Thread Jon Elson
On 04/24/2019 02:53 AM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: What about ECP mode, which requires DMA? ECP mode is great for long, continuous transfers, like a printer or scanner. For CNC motion control in the LinuxCNC scheme, there will be pretty short transfers in each direction, so the DMA

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread TJoseph Powderly
Thanks Bari Thanks Alec On 04/24/2019 10:07 PM, bari wrote: The dev that spent years cleaning up and fixing the rtai.org to make it work with LCNC and hosting it at https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI just got tired of things. rtai.org would not give him credit and treated him like a pest even

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 14:30, bari wrote: > > What was the problem or error that occurred when building the RTAI > kernel using that repo? > > We were just discussing how he made that as bullet proof as possible. We > are really interested in what problems occurred. The build seems to have

[Emc-users] [Off topic] Might interest Gene, radio pirates.

2019-04-24 Thread andy pugh
https://hackaday.com/2019/04/24/radio-piracy-on-the-high-seas/ -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 4:39 PM andy pugh wrote: > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 14:47, andy pugh wrote: > > > When I get back the machine tonight I will report back with the last > > thing seen on the screen. > > I tried the suggested new config, and this is what I get: >

Re: [Emc-users] [Off topic] Might interest Gene, radio pirates.

2019-04-24 Thread TJoseph Powderly
and the movie was great https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boat_That_Rocked On 04/25/2019 12:28 AM, andy pugh wrote: https://hackaday.com/2019/04/24/radio-piracy-on-the-high-seas/ tomp ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 03:01, Joe Hildreth wrote: > Thank you for follow up. I have them added to the list. One last question, > are these all PCI cards? Yes, all original PCI, not PCI-e or ISA. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the

Re: [Emc-users] Looking fro some input from the community

2019-04-24 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
What about ECP mode, which requires DMA? Originally the LPT port was output only, no ifs, and, buts, or inputs. Built to the original specs there should be no way at all to push data into the port. But naturally some manufacturers didn't stick 100% to the specs. Then various hackers figured

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 24 April 2019 03:42:00 andy pugh wrote: > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 01:30, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Several, your personal config probably makes a far bigger difference > > than the actual version number of the kernel since you have to be > > pretty well up on YOUR hardware to

Re: [Emc-users] Vacuum bed for router Re: Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread Les Newell
I really like that idea. Getting the slope and pocket dimensions just right would take some experimentation but if it works it would save a lot of hassle. I dunno if MDF would work as a top plate though. That stuff leaks like a sieve, especially if you cut through the outer skin. I use 6mm MDF

Re: [Emc-users] Vacuum bed for router Re: Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread Marcus Bowman
On 24 Apr 2019, at 10:18, Les Newell wrote: > I guess you could seal it afterwards with paint. Yes, but having painted MDF before, it requires a particular sealer, then several coats of paint, which is a bit of a pain. So its a method which is lower in material cost than, say aluminium, but

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 11:54, Rene Hopf via Emc-users wrote: > I dont understand whats wrong with stretch. I run all my machines with 64 bit > stretch. One thing wrong with Stretch is that it is not LTS whereas Jessie is. Also, I have so far failed to make a working RTAI kernel for Stretch. I

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread Mark
On 4/24/19 05:36, andy pugh wrote: One thing wrong with Stretch is that it is not LTS whereas Jessie is. Also, I have so far failed to make a working RTAI kernel for Stretch. I think that we need at the very least an optional RTAI ISO for the parallel port users even if we recommend the

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread Mark
On 4/24/19 06:26, andy pugh wrote: On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 11:09, Mark wrote: Does preempt-rt not play well with parport configurations? Not having used a preempt-rt installation before, just curious. It can work fine. In fact my current dev PC shows better preempt-rt latency than I have eve

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 12:02, Les Newell wrote: > One issue I see with off the shelf belts is that none of them have a > symmetrical profile. T section looks symmetrical but if you check the > drawings it isn't. T section is what Bell-Everman use. The Specification document for T section is

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 01:30, Gene Heskett wrote: > Several, your personal config probably makes a far bigger difference than > the actual version number of the kernel since you have to be pretty well > up on YOUR hardware to re-configure the kernel you are about to build. And there is the

Re: [Emc-users] possibly good news for LinuxCNC

2019-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 11:09, Mark wrote: > Does preempt-rt not play well with parport configurations? Not having > used a preempt-rt installation before, just curious. It can work fine. In fact my current dev PC shows better preempt-rt latency than I have eve seen with RTAI. But that is an

Re: [Emc-users] Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread Les Newell
Cutting your own racks, while doable is a heck of lot of work for the lengths you are talking about, even if you make it in short sections. If your time is worth even a fraction of minimum wage you would be better off using off the shelf rack and pinions. Here is how I think I would go about

Re: [Emc-users] Vacuum bed for router Re: Servo reduction for gantry machine

2019-04-24 Thread andy pugh
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 10:37, Marcus Bowman wrote: > Yes, but having painted MDF before, it requires a particular sealer, https://www.screwfix.com/p/zinsser-b-i-n-shellac-based-primer-sealer-1ltr/29661 -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the