Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 16:35:37 John Dammeyer wrote: > Hi Mathew, > I want to be able to swap easily and quickly between R8 and TTS. > Here's a selection of some of the tooling. > > http://www.autoartisans.com/mill/ToolSelection.jpg > I've quite a bit more than that John but not the variety.

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
And therein lies the problem. For your NMBT-30 quick change tooling you could just as easily set up wave washers and just press and release the draw bar as is done on so many of those instead of turning into the holder itself. But it only requires one or two turns before that large cone is no

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Figie
Maybe I didn't fully answer your question. After the tool drops out. If the button is held the impact driver will just keep spinning like an unloaded impact wrench. John On Mon, Nov 22, 2021, 5:57 PM John Figie wrote: > When the load or unload button is pressed the impact driver first moves >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Figie
Instead of a drawbar with a hex end you could use the kind with a spline end like the ones that Kurt sells for their power drawbar. My Bridgeport came with a Kurt power drawbar. I have had it since around 2003. Still using the same drawbar. The socket looks kind of like a torx socket - maybe it is

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
So far I'm well under the $974 of the R8 version although if I had to pay retail for the GIM controller I'm using then I'd be well over that. So far I think I'm at about $200 Cdn. plus I'm using one of the first prototype GIMs I build almost 10 years ago.

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 17:30:08 John Figie wrote: > Instead of a drawbar with a hex end you could use the kind with a > spline end like the ones that Kurt sells for their power drawbar. My > Bridgeport came with a Kurt power drawbar. I have had it since around > 2003. Still using the same

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Figie
When the load or unload button is pressed the impact driver first moves down and then starts impacting for as long as the button is pressed. I only let it impact for about 1 or 2 seconds. On Mon, Nov 22, 2021, 5:39 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > So far I'm well under the $974 of the R8 version

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:05, John Dammeyer wrote: > Likely why the set screw works loose after a number of cycles. I am surprised that the air wrench doesn't have the usual ball-detente to retain the socket. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 02:48:36 John Dammeyer wrote: > > I assume you have a similar, fixed position spindle lock? I had to > > make mine. > > Nope. As a friend said the other day when I asked if he'd found a > lock on his... "I use a big hammer on the supplied wrench to tighten > or loosen

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: dave engvall [mailto:dengv...@charter.net] > On 11/21/21 9:24 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: > > Is there a way to tell the spindle to turn until it finds the index and > > stop so it's always stopping at the exact same spot? Like > decelerate to 0.5 rev per second (30 RPM) or slower and

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Matthew Herd
What about a custom draw bar with an Andy Pugh style air cylinder release? Seems simpler to engineer the mechanism than do all this control. Just have a drawbar that’s normally retracted with a flange. Engage the flange with a mechanism on an air cylinder to release.

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 08:03, John Dammeyer wrote: > One still has to line up the socket to the hex head of the drawbar. And > since it can be at any position relative to the spindle the sensing has to > happen against the hex head. Rotate spindle until hex head is at a known > position.

[Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Roland Jollivet
You probably don't need more than 1 bar on the lifting air cylinder, up or down. No need to force it down. So let it down, then if you can give the spindle a 1RPM burst to let the nut slip over. And have a switch on driver Z to know if it's down over the nut. You could also stop the spindle and

Re: [Emc-users] Closed loop control of air motors.

2021-11-22 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 05:23, John Dammeyer wrote: > As it is the nut is getting pretty trashed so until the 12 point socket > arrives I think this part of the project is on hold. Is it time to cut your losses and go with a Bellville washer stack? It works for Tormach:

Re: [Emc-users] Closed loop control of air motors.

2021-11-22 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
How about an eddy current brake that uses a thick copper washer, a disk with some strong magnets, and use a small air cylinder to push the copper washer away from the magnets and springs to pull or push it close to the magnets when the air is cut off so the wrench stops fast. Automatic brake

Re: [Emc-users] Closed loop control of air motors.

2021-11-22 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 at 07:45, John Dammeyer wrote: > > I'd like to be able to limit the number of turns to 2. OK, here is a possible arrangement that will fit in the existing packaging. Press a sleeve onto the outside of the socket with a spiral groove machined into it (actually two grooves, a

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 07:01:27 Roland Jollivet wrote: > You probably don't need more than 1 bar on the lifting air cylinder, > up or down. No need to force it down. > So let it down, then if you can give the spindle a 1RPM burst to let > the nut slip over. > And have a switch on driver Z to

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
First of all. Way cool video. Thanks for that link. Didn't even speed through it. A pull stud on R8 tools. Interesting concept. Not sure there's room inside the spindle for that. John > -Original Message- > From: Matthew Herd [mailto:herd.m...@gmail.com] > Sent: November-22-21

Re: [Emc-users] Closed loop control of air motors.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
Andy If I was only running TTS or something with a pull stud like yours that would be a no brainer. However I want the ability to use both TTS (no more than two turns either direction) and R8 (engaged thread number of turns to release and capture). The idea of tap on the button to force two

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
The problem is the air wrench turns freely unlike the electric impact wrenches. So if it even just drops on the wrong point it then stays there and tracks the spindle turning. Been there. Tried that. John > -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > Can you backdrive the impact wrench? Keep it engaged? > At the moment the loudest part of my system is the splined spindle shaft rattling in the splined pulley drive. Especially with light cuts or not engaged. Really quite annoying. Once

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
It's the lowering of the wrench that I don't have a lot of control on. It's pushed down hard enough to keep the draw bar on top of the spindle so as it turns it pushes the sometimes a bit stiff R8 all the way down and out. If it's allow to move upwards (or I haven't locked the quill) then the

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Matthew Herd
Hi John, You don’t need pull studs on the R-8 collets, just thread the draw bar into the collet. Either until it stops or loctite the draw bar at the right depth. Then use a Belleville washer and air cylinder setup like Andy’s. Matt > On Nov 22, 2021, at 1:32 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: > >

Re: [Emc-users] Closed loop control of air motors.

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 22 November 2021 07:07:45 Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote: > How about an eddy current brake that uses a thick copper washer, a > disk with some strong magnets, and use a small air cylinder to push > the copper washer away from the magnets and springs to pull or push it > close to

Re: [Emc-users] Special for dave engvall

2021-11-22 Thread Gene Heskett
Apparently charter has blocked me as a spammer, I am not getting answers to my msgs sent since yesterday afternoon. Check your mail at charter with a browser, looking in the spam folder, if I'm in there, spank em. Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread Sam Sokolik
Can you backdrive the impact wrench? Keep it engaged? On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 11:45 AM John Dammeyer wrote: > Thanks Roland, > What I've found is that once the socket has reached that midpoint between > flats it sticks there. Rounding off the edges of the inside didn't fix it > but did help.

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
Thanks Roland, What I've found is that once the socket has reached that midpoint between flats it sticks there. Rounding off the edges of the inside didn't fix it but did help. I can even shut off the air so I can pull it down slowly against the return spring pressure and turn the spindle

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle positioning.

2021-11-22 Thread John Dammeyer
Hi Mathew, I want to be able to swap easily and quickly between R8 and TTS. Here's a selection of some of the tooling. http://www.autoartisans.com/mill/ToolSelection.jpg There's a full set of R8 collets of course. The spring loaded Tap Holder has a 3/4" shank so it really just needs a TTS