Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect
On 08/30/2013 11:52 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote: On 08/30/2013 09:38 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: Could you find a link to the source code? http://www.mtconnect.org/downloads/download-information/source-code-and-binaries-download.aspx I think the trick is to scroll down the page to the Login Form. At the bottom of the Login Form is No account yet?. Click Register, then fill in a username, password and e-mail address. Once you have your account set up, log in with the Login Form, then go to: aha! i used anonymous yes, he's on github https://github.com/mtconnect woohoo! lotsa code lotsa java :( and an 'IMTS 2012' dir so he's demo'ed this in Chicago lots to read thx for the tip KWallace regards Tomp tjtr33 -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect
Kirk, I think MTConnect would be a great addition to LCNC; I started to play with the building of an adapter shortly after MT was released at IMTS some years ago, but quickly got stalled. I have an MTConnect-compatible agent/adapter on my Mazak 410 machine, and it's pretty much a duplicate of the basic info (DROs, program/run status, spindle and axis loads) only. It is NOT intended to be a remote-control platform. It's not much more useful than that, in a single machine installation, however it's not MT's fault, it's the limitation of the agent. I do occasionally run a terminal server window instead (the Mazak uses Win XP embedded for GUI control on top of the Mitsubishi motion platform) - which for all intents is just as capable as someone who already runs LCNC in a remote xwindow. (BTW, for the top level overview, MTConnect spec defines three levels of soft-ish-ware; the adapter (optional) is the hard worker part that is specific to the machine and does the unification of useful data; the agent, one level up is the middleware, and effectively the webserver or dbase; and the client is the top view that actually displays or parses the useful info. That's the really short and vague version.) I was playing with building an MT adapter/agent for my lathe, (agent would just be httpd to start) that would basically replicate the information that the Mazak would deliver - this is where I started to run into universal problems with development; since LCNC is so modular and adaptable, there would be machines that would have some features and lacking others (spindle load % for example) - so writing a comp to cover everything became too daunting. That is the best and the worst of MTConnect, and by design; the adapters (or more often adapter/agent combos now) are specifically deployed unique to your machine (or at least unique to your machine family) and it unifies the info for serving up to the client viewer/app/dbase. Since MTConnect spec information is free, it's certainly of value to expand one's knowledge. I was hoping to contribute to the LCNC community with this type of development, but the challenge so far has been that it would be like needing to have an additional HAL layer of connectivity just to accommodate all the possibilities of HAL itself. The XML definitions by the adapter would accommodate where the data would go to, what the data was, and how it was formatted, but the spec doesn't allow for additional info, such as where it comes from - ie the HAL pin it would be connected to, and at that point I had lost too many brain cells to spend more time writing something that couldn't be extended. It might be feasible to just accommodate all the general DataItems in the dictionary, expose a ton of pins to the LCNC integrator, and if not useful or connected, they return null or 0; but when it comes to the tool cutting info, however, it just gets plain messy. In regards to Rockhopper, IIRC, that was more than just a status window, it was intended to be a [complete] doc builder on the LCNC installation (?), but did have a status window, that for simplified intents, would be similar in result. Perhaps that is the better starting point, in that the same variables that are exposed that RH was referencing are the same ones used to build the initial MT adapter. If there are some that wish to form a collaboration on something like this, I'd be happy to contribute, though! Ted. On 8/30/2013 12:30 PM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: Is MTConnect something worth learning more about? Has anyone used it with LinuxCNC? http://www.amit-deshpande.com/2008/06/mtconnect-live.html -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/ -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect
2013/8/29 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com Is MTConnect something worth learning more about? Has anyone used it with LinuxCNC? http://www.amit-deshpande.com/2008/06/mtconnect-live.html -- Kirk Wallace What is the need of such API? /Sven -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect
I would not know about a license issue. I gather it would be ok as it is on the Linuxcnc wiki and seem to be endorsed. Does anybody look at this kind of issues or is the responsibility left to the contributor? On 2013/08/30 05:16 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: On 08/29/2013 10:53 PM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: I tried it but the server seem to be down. The link below should go to a blog post with links to XML files that I believe need a server to be running. This blog post is over a year old so the server may be gone. Basically, the link is a flag to indicate someone has done something with MTConnect and LinuxCNC. In looking more at MTConnect, it seems it is at a beginning stage with little more than a general mission statement and some demo code. There is a similar thing available already for LCNC that I tested and it works. Try here - it works very well. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Rockhopper_Web_Server My take is that Rockhopper's function is a subset of MTConnect's. In looking at Rockhopper, I noticed it uses the Apache license. I'm wondering if this might be an issue with LinuxCNC? On 2013/08/29 11:04 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: Is MTConnect something worth learning more about? Has anyone used it with LinuxCNC? http://www.amit-deshpande.com/2008/06/mtconnect-live.html -- Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg MasterCut cc Cel: +27 82 698 3251 Tel: +27 12 743 6064 Fax: +27 86 551 8029 Skype: marius_d.liebenberg --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 130830-0, 2013/08/30 Tested on: 2013/08/30 06:07:16 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2013 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect
On 08/30/2013 11:38 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: Could you find a link to the source code? no source code found. no DTD no XSD. we should let the author reply, ask q's on his site , report usefullness here. regards TomP -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect
Could you find a link to the source code? On 2013/08/30 06:30 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote: Hello, I am interested in how MTConnect serves the data. I have asked the author. (too early for response yet ) I've been following the ZeroMQ discussions, which are concerned with message passing tools which Linuxcnc could use. http://zguide.zeromq.org/page:all Has anyone gotten real values from MTConnect yet? look athttp://agent.mtconnect.org/current I get 'UNAVAILABLE' since I began monitoring the page a couple days ago. and the 3 web pages need a descriptor that is unavailable http://www.mtconnect.org/schemas/MTConnectDevices_1.2.xsd; accessing it replies with The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. The author might well be busy, and I applaud his work. Its interesting tho, publishing HAL or Linuxcnc data on web pages would be cool. I envision HAL systems reporting on web pages, even allowing changes requested by javascript widgets. regards TomP tjtr33 -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg MasterCut cc Cel: +27 82 698 3251 Tel: +27 12 743 6064 Fax: +27 86 551 8029 Skype: marius_d.liebenberg --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 130830-0, 2013/08/30 Tested on: 2013/08/30 06:38:24 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2013 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect
On 08/30/2013 09:38 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: Could you find a link to the source code? http://www.mtconnect.org/downloads/download-information/source-code-and-binaries-download.aspx I think the trick is to scroll down the page to the Login Form. At the bottom of the Login Form is No account yet?. Click Register, then fill in a username, password and e-mail address. Once you have your account set up, log in with the Login Form, then go to: https://github.com/mtconnect Or maybe try the git hub link first to see what happens. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/ -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect
Hello, I am interested in how MTConnect serves the data. I have asked the author. (too early for response yet ) I've been following the ZeroMQ discussions, which are concerned with message passing tools which Linuxcnc could use. http://zguide.zeromq.org/page:all Has anyone gotten real values from MTConnect yet? look athttp://agent.mtconnect.org/current I get 'UNAVAILABLE' since I began monitoring the page a couple days ago. and the 3 web pages need a descriptor that is unavailable http://www.mtconnect.org/schemas/MTConnectDevices_1.2.xsd; accessing it replies with The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. The author might well be busy, and I applaud his work. Its interesting tho, publishing HAL or Linuxcnc data on web pages would be cool. I envision HAL systems reporting on web pages, even allowing changes requested by javascript widgets. regards TomP tjtr33 -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect
There is a video here that explains how to use the sample stuff. Still not as useful as the Rock Hopper as far as I am concerned. Well at least for now. MTconnect might be valuable to very large concerns but I see no real advantage for the average job shop or manufacturer. Making machines work in sync could also benefit from MTconnect. It is also good for system integrators and IT guys. http://photonsandelectrons.blogspot.com/2011/06/easy-mtconnect-and-microsoft-excel.html On 2013/08/30 07:23 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote: On 08/30/2013 11:52 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote: On 08/30/2013 09:38 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote: Could you find a link to the source code? http://www.mtconnect.org/downloads/download-information/source-code-and-binaries-download.aspx I think the trick is to scroll down the page to the Login Form. At the bottom of the Login Form is No account yet?. Click Register, then fill in a username, password and e-mail address. Once you have your account set up, log in with the Login Form, then go to: aha! i used anonymous yes, he's on github https://github.com/mtconnect woohoo! lotsa code lotsa java :( and an 'IMTS 2012' dir so he's demo'ed this in Chicago lots to read thx for the tip KWallace regards Tomp tjtr33 -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg MasterCut cc Cel: +27 82 698 3251 Tel: +27 12 743 6064 Fax: +27 86 551 8029 Skype: marius_d.liebenberg --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 130830-0, 2013/08/30 Tested on: 2013/08/30 09:59:57 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2013 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] MTConnect
I tried it but the server seem to be down. There is a similar thing available already for LCNC that I tested and it works. Try here - it works very well. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Rockhopper_Web_Server On 2013/08/29 11:04 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: Is MTConnect something worth learning more about? Has anyone used it with LinuxCNC? http://www.amit-deshpande.com/2008/06/mtconnect-live.html -- Regards / Groete Marius D. Liebenberg MasterCut cc Cel: +27 82 698 3251 Tel: +27 12 743 6064 Fax: +27 86 551 8029 Skype: marius_d.liebenberg --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 130829-1, 2013/08/29 Tested on: 2013/08/30 07:54:01 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2013 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
