Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-23 Thread simon
Dear Andreas Maria Jacobs, Yes, you're right. Let's be done with these /prêt-à/-/penser/ images and the whole of the negative critique they imply, however dressed up in the anodyne affirmations of political and cultural correctness! Best, Simon Taylor www.squarewhiteworld.com

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-23 Thread Nicky Donald
You are right. I love the noosphere. It is the soil all these rhizomes grow in. I don't think a revolution against it is possible. We just don't know how to live with it yet, or love it properly. Perhaps I just see no love or morality in these current underminings or subversions, just vacant

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-23 Thread jcu
Hello, You wrote: A revolution against the noosphere would need some other place place of promised jouissance What a beautiful phrase. Perhaps it indicates a phase of human evolution that we can't yet determine, a progression to some form of telepathy, the precursor evidenced by our

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-22 Thread Jon Thomson
Thanks for the quotes and the link to the article. The spirit of it reminds us of Gustav Metzger's second manifesto of auto-destructive art (http://www.luftgangster.de/audeart3.html), and the drowning man imagery points us to the problems of cultural feedback loops in our societies (in the

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-21 Thread simon
it's also very interesting to observe how the old media are becoming more and more permeable to blogs and D.I.Y. information. This phenomenon is not due to a fascination in more democratic information sources (the traditional media holders hate new media and people involved with it), on the

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-20 Thread Jon Thomson
Just to add to what Zac says, Perhaps the relationship between 'Techne and Poesis' is not progressively divergent, but cyclical and variable in fine art? bw Jon Alison Sent from my iPhone www.thomson-craighead.net My worry about strictly web-based models of community is that they use time

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-19 Thread marc garrett
Hi Davin all, Sorry for not getting back earlier, it has been rather busy here... I think it is easier to see that art from a blank anthropological view, over our lifetime, has expressed an ironically posthuman set of priorities--the service of markets, the expression of those markets, and

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-19 Thread davin heckman
Marc, I think you hit the nail on the head: Perhaps It would be more appropriate to introduce small, human-scale initiatives which include individuals and groups, according to their own needs and shared resources, and then build from there. As far as I am concerned (personally with others), this

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-19 Thread Jon Thomson
Marc, Peer production is based on the abundance logic of digital reproduction, and what is abundant lies outside the market mechanism. It is based on free contributions that lie outside of the labour-capital relationship. It creates a commons that is outside commodification and is based on

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-19 Thread Zac Zimmer
Davin's point about material objects touches on something I have been discussing with some friends recently. Davin said: *My worry about strictly web-based models of community is that they use time and allow for thinking. but they don't necessarily create more time for thinking by producing

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-18 Thread davin heckman
Dear Johannes, I believe that I should probably offer some clarifications in response to your thoughtful reply. Most importantly, I don't want to suggest that all art accomplishes the same end (I am talking about the larger conception of art as techne, where, perhaps, a subset of techne would be

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-17 Thread Jon Thomson
Thanks Davin for your initial post and thank you Johannes for your comments. It's interesting to read ten years hence about 9/11 as being such a political touchstone, when in the UK just now (and NorthAtlantic economies more generally) so much radical reformation and reduction of public

Re: [-empyre-] vigilar y castigar

2011-01-16 Thread Johannes Birringer
dear all if allowed (as it's part of last week) , can I briefly take up Cynthia Rubin's response, where she proposes that now that everything is digital the need to push artists to define themselves as tied to a specific medium is now longer relevant, as anyone who is computer literate

Re: [-empyre-] Vigilar y Castigar

2011-01-13 Thread Gabriela Vargas-Cetina
Hello all, thanks to Johannes for the questions. I will try to respond to both of his points: 1. THE EFFECTS OF SURVEILLANCE IN OUR LIVES The city of Merida, where I live, is being described everywhere (see Wikipedia, for example) as 'one of the digital capitals of Latin America', mainly because

Re: [-empyre-] Vigilar y Castigar

2011-01-13 Thread Christina Spiesel
Dear Gabriella and All, Thank you so much for this detailed description! It is so much cheaper to employ technology than people, and cheaper still to make other people the watchers. I have been pondering whether empowering border guards to confiscate tech wasn't potentially something of a