Re: [-empyre-] the real and reality in speculative realism and OOO/P

2012-06-17 Thread frederic neyrat
Hi Patricia, 1/ You wrote: They are lively before or without human consciousness. I think this arouses more respect for the environment and the cosmos not to mention human beings and other living things: I'm not sure about that. I would like, but I'm note sure. I'm just thinking about the hunter

Re: [-empyre-] the real and reality in speculative realism and OOO/P

2012-06-17 Thread Timothy Morton
Wow Patricia this is amazing. I'm still reading through it. I'm such a huge fan of Bollas by the way. One could, in OOO terms, imagine Bollas's objects as part of a region of what Harman an I call sensual objects, which inhabit the interzone between things. Or as Marcia, my new (and sadly

Re: [-empyre-] the real and reality in speculative realism and OOO/P

2012-06-17 Thread Clough, Patricia
I have just finished reading a piece by Latour on big data for a paper I am writing with three students (Josh Scannell, Benjamin Haber and Karen Gregory who are lurking on the site). One of Latour's points is that the two level analysis carried on in sociology (but everywhere else as well)

Re: [-empyre-] OOO, the Grumbling Smurf and Outside-Oriented Philosophy

2012-06-17 Thread Clough, Patricia
Hi Frederic aka grumbling smurf There is outside in object orientedthe question is the nature of relations. For Harman nothing is connectedand the outside is in the difference between the object and its sensual qualities (also its real qualities ) for Deleuzians however the