Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-05-04 Thread Jack Stenner
. --- On Sat, 30/4/11, John Craig Freeman john_craig_free...@emerson.edu wrote: From: John Craig Freeman john_craig_free...@emerson.edu Subject: Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au Date: Saturday, 30 April, 2011, 3:07

Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-05-03 Thread naxsmash
So trenchant and tragicomic an observation is worth setting out on its own as a 'best of -empyre-' comment ( or am i hallucinating again).. . Thanks, Pawel. On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Pawel Oczkowski wrote: Anyway, what makes me feel that things might go wrong faster than anybody could

Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-05-03 Thread Will Pappenheimer
. --- On Sat, 30/4/11, John Craig Freeman john_craig_free...@emerson.edu wrote: From: John Craig Freeman john_craig_free...@emerson.edu Subject: Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au Date: Saturday, 30 April, 2011, 3:07

Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-05-01 Thread Simon Biggs
Start with Heidegger and then Latour. They establish a useful ontology that allows for non-human and inanimate agency that probably accommodates the new definition you seek. Best Simon On 30/04/2011 04:07, John Craig Freeman john_craig_free...@emerson.edu wrote: From: Will Pappenheimer

[-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-05-01 Thread Mathias Fuchs
Hi Tamiko and Alan, thanks for your critical comments. I understand better now the problems that lie within what I suggested. Tamiko's Easterly inspired example of the crucifix, that is first real and then not so real, points out the inherent contradictions of my approach. On the other hand,

Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-05-01 Thread Pawel Oczkowski
.                                      --- On Sat, 30/4/11, John Craig Freeman john_craig_free...@emerson.edu wrote: From: John Craig Freeman john_craig_free...@emerson.edu Subject: Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au Date: Saturday

Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-04-30 Thread christina mcphe
Tamiko, http://mission-base.com/tamiko/AR/newtown-creek.html is this a project of 2011 (happening now?) how did it work for people... I mean, what were the dynamics of reception and use -- a story about this would be very interesting You write, : Newtown Creek is a massively

Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-04-30 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:46:15AM +0200, Tamiko Thiel wrote: Is a painting real but a projection not real? Isn't visual phenomena real - and therefore any AR object also real? Are perhaps these not the correct terms to be using when talking about AR and VR, even though both terms use

Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-04-30 Thread nicholas watts
Hi All, the conversation with the last 2 posts has become interesting and although i dont have the time to create a physical presence at the moment, i thought this conversation between alfredo jaar and simon critchley which takes on a removal of veils, would suit these publications. Mute

Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-04-30 Thread Rodney Berry
It's worth weighing in here with the reminder that AR is basically a display technology that got named 'augmented reality' probably just to distinguish itself from 'virtual reality' that was itself arbitrarily (and somewhat arrogantly) coined by Jaron Lanier (I think?), perhaps to allude to

Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-04-30 Thread Gregory Ulmer
On 4/28/11 11:03 PM, Will Pappenheimer wrote: My approach- added to Tamiko's, would be 2 fold: Generally- since reality is pretty hard to define in the first place, and always subject to our tampering with it, arguments separating it out or contrasting it to something else are going to

Re: [-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-04-29 Thread John Craig Freeman
From: Will Pappenheimer will...@gmail.com I think we are in need of a new definition of existence, one that includes the digital or networked object. Call it a consensual, collective hallucination. John Craig Freeman Associate Professor of New Media Emerson College Department of Visual

[-empyre-] real vs. unreal

2011-04-28 Thread Tamiko Thiel
From: Mathias Fuchs mathias.fu...@creativegames.org.uk I would suggest to call something an augmentation of reality only if it is a consciously introduced element of our environment that we believe to be unreal. Hi Mathias! Nice to hear from you :-) A few questions for you: What then are