Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-21 Thread William Bain
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Brilliant thought provoking dis-cussion again, Empyrycysts.I think about different points on the law, the law as something that must beinterpreted, how the law rubs sapiens the wrong way and provokes art. The lawis art. Human activity in

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-21 Thread Johannes Birringer
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- dear Ana ah, maybe I misunderstood you, as you argued that societies are fundamentally unhealthy: [Ana schreibt] we talk a lot about healing, but suppose we don't need to be healed? I mean the idea of a healthy society is ludicrous,

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-21 Thread Ana Valdés
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- I ment that maybe societies are normally unhealthy and our try to normalize things, the frame violence and despair and happiness are risen from our beliefs, born with the Modernity, on a shiny good world where health and happiness were

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-21 Thread Johannes Birringer
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- thank you Christina for offering a clear and sober approach to the conflagrations and to absolute violence which have been discussed, and you counsel making, naming, small acts, conversation, small acts. I agree with you, and that is

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-21 Thread Alan Sondheim
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, Johannes Birringer wrote: --empyre- soft-skinned space-- out is what high, backwards, looking at the horror piled up, and yes, Alan, that horror grows and historically, how do you

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-21 Thread Christina Spiesel
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Thank you, Johannes! And now asking a favor: 1) I do not want to sidetrack the empyre discussion although my query is in part engendered by the conversation, so if any of you knows something, you might just want to email me directly.

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-21 Thread Monika Weiss
--empyre- soft-skinned space--Dear all, I have been on an airplane and now I see so much has happened in our writing in the meantime. I will read/address those newer posts later tonight but in this post I would like to share what I wrote on the subject of voice of

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-20 Thread Christina Spiesel
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Dear All, Taking up Johannes' extensions of the questions (below), let me do a wee bit of back and fill. Antonio Damasio in /Descartes' Error/ (1994) tells the story of a judge who gave up judging after suffering neurological

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-20 Thread Alan Sondheim
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- On Thu, 20 Nov 2014, Christina Spiesel wrote: This is a long introduction to a simple thought: we need the arts to come to the rescue. I keep thinking of the art teacher in (Teresin?) who taught the interned young very advanced

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-20 Thread Christina Spiesel
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Dear All -- I have been writing about education in the arts/humanities as critical in resisting technocratic culture's limited interest in human capacity. So I see cultural production. and not just education about it, as a form of

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-20 Thread Ana Valdés
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Dear Johannes my answer was not resigned at all (I am not the kind of resigned people :) but wondered if our dilemma was not a typical dilemma risen from Modernity, to make Humanity happier and more enlightened with the help of education,

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-19 Thread Johannes Birringer
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- ps (to last night) I just wanted to acknowledge, in addition, some of the contributions to our discussions over the past days, from John Hopkins, Erik Ehn, and Christina Spiesel; and I found it interesting, in the contexts of human

Re: [-empyre-] Vor dem Gesetz/Before the Law, hoveringly

2014-11-18 Thread Johannes Birringer
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- [encryption 3, as promised; from Rustom Bharucha Terror and Performance] towards justice (paraphrased, from the last chapter, on 'performing non-violence in the age of terror') If there is one particularly disheartening leitmotif