Re: [Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on charter-ietf-emu-05-02: (with COMMENT)

2019-10-31 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 04:25:57PM +, Mohit Sethi M wrote: >Hi Ben, > >Thanks for the customary careful review. Answers in-line: > >On 10/31/19 4:24 PM, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker wrote: > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for &

Re: [Emu] [lamps] EAP/EMU recommendations for client cert validation logic

2020-01-15 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
A couple things that stand out to me from having basically read the whole thread in one go (this is not intended to be an exhaustive list of open questions): It was implied but not fully clear to me, that Ryan thinks that someone so inclined could, right now, go around trying to connect to wifi

Re: [Emu] [lamps] Using public CA infrastructure for autonomic bootstrapping over EAP.

2020-01-17 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Hi Michael, You mention in a couple places that EAP server certificate should be identifying an rfc822Name DN, and I think I'm confused about what you mean. (I suspect I'm seeing "rfc822Name" and jumping to what ACP does, which is wrong.) Could you walk through an example of what that would look

Re: [Emu] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-emu-rfc5448bis-07: (with COMMENT)

2020-04-05 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 10:48:03PM -0700, Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker wrote: > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-emu-rfc5448bis/ > > > >

[Emu] bootstrapped TLS authentication and TLS key schedule

2020-07-29 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Hi all, I'm not 100% sure if I'll be present for the whole session on Friday, so just in case I'm not: it looks like there's a figure in the slides to adjust the TLS 1.3 key schedule and put another input slot in place. I don't expect any of these comments to be a big surprise (especially given

Re: [Emu] Commitment Message handling in EAP-TLS 1.3

2020-08-04 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Hi Mohit, Sorry for the slow response. On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 02:08:44PM +, Mohit Sethi M wrote: > Dear all, > > Thanks all for the discussion on the commitment message. > > draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-10 > (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-10) in figure 2 shows > the

Re: [Emu] [Iot-directorate] Iotdir early review of draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-01

2020-07-11 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 03:40:25PM +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > Hi Mohit, > > > > On 2020-07-11, at 15:27, Mohit Sethi M > > wrote: > > > > EAP-NOOB also relies on the JWK specification for encoding public keys. > > While CBOR equivalent is defined in RFC 8152, it is a rather large

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-06 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 10:41:50AM -0500, Alan DeKok wrote: > On Jan 5, 2021, at 4:47 AM, Mohit Sethi M wrote: > > What I am gathering is that this commitment message should instead be > > made into a confirmation message, i.e. it should only be sent after > > receiving TLS Finished from the

[Emu] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-12-16 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
list (cc'd). Thanks, Ben On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 02:36:50PM -0800, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker wrote: > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to

Re: [Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's Yes on draft-ietf-emu-eaptlscert-06: (with COMMENT)

2020-11-06 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Wed, Nov 04, 2020 at 04:41:07PM +, Mohit Sethi M wrote: > Hi Ben, > > This should hopefully address your feedback: > https://github.com/emu-wg/eaptls-longcert/commit/d39c1411c908844cc74bc0a6fa689a73ecd5b7a8 > > Answers in-line. Thanks Mohit! I left one wording tweak

Re: [Emu] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-emu-eaptlscert-06

2020-10-29 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Hi Stefan, Thanks for the review; it raises some good topics. Replying on a couple points... On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 04:13:02PM -0700, Stefan Santesson via Datatracker wrote: > Reviewer: Stefan Santesson > Review result: Has Nits > > The document in general is good and well written. > > Some

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Hi Martin, Thanks for chiming in here; your insight has been quite helpful already. (I am going to reply to the thread in reverse order so as to not duplicate what you've already said.) On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 02:50:15PM +1100, Martin Thomson wrote: > Hi Alan, > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2021, at 14:05,

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Mon, Jan 04, 2021 at 02:44:01PM +1100, Martin Thomson wrote: > > I would instead either prohibit the use of application data outright or say > that it carries no semantics unless otherwise negotiated. The current design > has the effect of rendering application data unusable, so perhaps the

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-04 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 10:26:40AM +1100, Martin Thomson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, at 21:01, Mohit Sethi M wrote: > > > I have a much simpler one: the EAP layer has a signal that the > > > protocol is complete: EAP-Success > > Alan Dekok explained in a separate email thread why this is not

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-05 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Tue, Jan 05, 2021 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Alan DeKok wrote: > On Jan 5, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > > Alan DeKok wrote: > >> Therefore, we need an explicit signal to the EAP-TLS layer that the > > > > Do you mean, "to the EAP layer"? > > s/EAP-TLS layer/EAP/ ?? > > If

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-31 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Hi Mohit, The quoting in your note is not coming across usefully in my MUA, so I'm trimming to (what I think are) just your remarks without other history. On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 07:34:42PM +, Mohit Sethi M wrote: > Hi Ben, > > RFC 5705 says: > >If no context is provided, it then

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-31 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Hi Alan, With my apologies to everyone on the thread for so many mails in succession... On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 02:09:09PM -0500, Alan DeKok wrote: > On Jan 29, 2021, at 1:32 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > With respect to the exporter usage, I do see you had asked about using the >

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-31 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 09:20:57AM -0500, Alan DeKok wrote: > On Jan 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Joseph Salowey wrote: > > DISCUSS: the EAP-TLS draft should also explain that session tickets may be > > sent either before or after the 0x00 octet. Does the packet flow look any > > different for the

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-31 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 06:21:16AM +, Peter Gutmann wrote: > Alan DeKok writes: > > >OpenSSL has a feature SSL_MODE_AUTO_RETRY which makes it process TLS messages > >*after* the Finished message. i.e. the Session Ticket, etc. When an > >application calls SSL_Read(), all of the TLS data is

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-02-01 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 02:52:58PM -0500, Alan DeKok wrote: > On Feb 1, 2021, at 1:30 PM, Joseph Salowey wrote: > > [Joe] This could also address the early export of keys before the peer is > > authenticated. RFC 5216 provides a canonical way to create these IDs, but > > I'm not sure anyone

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-02-01 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Mon, Feb 01, 2021 at 07:09:14AM -0500, Alan DeKok wrote: > On Jan 31, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > That's a scenario that I was starting to puzzle over this weekend as well > > -- with EAP-Success "completely unauthenticated", it would be fairly easy &g

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-01-29 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Hi Alan, I see that the thread is continuing and that perhaps my reply will even become stale as I write it, but I'm replying to your note instead of the tip of the thread because it has good context for making some broader points that I would like to make. On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 05:28:10PM

Re: [Emu] [TLS] Fwd: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-02-01 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
Hi Alan, I'll second the thanks for putting this together; I think it covers the important open points. I did belatedly remember one more thing that is perhaps not critical, but would also be good to get an answer for: On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 03:00:51PM -0500, Alan DeKok wrote: [...] > >

Re: [Emu] Protected Result Indicators in EAP-TLS 1.3

2021-02-14 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:48:10AM +, John Mattsson wrote: > With Alan's comments, I think we are down to 3 alternatives: > > (1a). Use close_notify alert as protected success. > Use error alerts as protected failure. > > - Forbid close_notify except as success indication > -

Re: [Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-08-17 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
rl2=draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-05. > > Answers inline. > > --Mohit > > On 4/22/21 7:26 AM, Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker wrote: > > Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-04: Discuss > > > > When resp

[Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on charter-ietf-emu-05-02: (with COMMENT)

2019-10-31 Thread Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-emu-05-02: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along

[Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-emu-rfc5448bis-07: (with COMMENT)

2020-04-07 Thread Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-emu-rfc5448bis-07: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

[Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-session-id-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-09 Thread Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-emu-eap-session-id-04: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

[Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-emu-eap-session-id-05: (with COMMENT)

2020-07-27 Thread Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-emu-eap-session-id-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please

[Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-12-16 Thread Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-13: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https

[Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's Yes on draft-ietf-emu-eaptlscert-06: (with COMMENT)

2020-11-03 Thread Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-emu-eaptlscert-06: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https

[Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-04-21 Thread Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-04: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https

[Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-05: (with COMMENT)

2021-08-17 Thread Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

[Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-20: (with COMMENT)

2021-10-07 Thread Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-20: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer

[Emu] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-20: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2021-10-06 Thread Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker
Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-emu-eap-tls13-20: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https