[EnglishSTF-6766] Re: [ms-stf '56778'] Science paper was tough and kannadamedium students fails to understand questions why every year only science paper difficult I don't understand plz give clarific

2016-04-08 Thread Gurumurthy K 
Dear Subramani sir

thank you for your reply. It is exactly connected to what I was saying.

I agree that there are many pressures on teachers to take the 'short cut'
of drill/pass package instead of the 'more difficult' path of conceptual
understanding - the quantum of syllabus is too much, the education
system/department does not encourage conceptual learning but puts pressure
on exam results, teachers knowledge of pedagogies and concepts may also
need to be improved but teacher training programs are not effective. and
teacher educators themselves may not know better.

However, having said the above, I feel strongly that teachers must take the
path of teaching their students conceptual understanding and abandon the
drill/pass package method/route which only fails the children this is
not just my opinion, this is the spirit of NCF 2005, so it is national
policy as well.

Children are in school to learn, develop conceptual understanding which is
necessary for application in real life.

In my opinion, learning is not equal to drill / pass packages. I am making
a statement that will not be liked by some, but drill and pass packages
only end up cheating the children.  Also drill methods make students
dislike the subject. Whereas if students learn science through the right
approaches (learning science by doing, exploring science curiously,
building models to understand nature, developing a scientific temper etc
). 'Good' Indian students are well known for their ability to parrot
out content but with very poor ability to apply it in real life situations.
what use is that bookish knowledge.

And I say this with the knowledge that there are many teachers in our
Karnataka GHS, who are trying the path of conceptual learning and
succeeding as well. Their experiences and learnings can guide us well. Let
us give up the pass package approach... this I am saying not only for
science but for all subjects. I request teachers like Shashi Kumar sir,
Mohan sir, Radha Madam, Gulzar madam (and hundreds of other such teachers
who are members of this group) who have been adopting different approaches
to help students really develop conceptual understanding of science, to
share their experiences and methods, which can help all teachers.

Once again, Subramani sir, thanks for frankly sharing your views, so that
we can debate and discuss the issue fully and understand one another.

regards,
Guru


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On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Subramani V  wrote:

> @gurumurthy sir.  Even I didn't see d paper.  M y students discussed
> questions wit me. I came to a conclusion that they are beyond d level a
> 10th grade students. No its our turn to think
> 1)hav v taught d concepts to that level.
> 2)is d time provided enough to us to teach Dat much deep about d concept.
> 3)can d rural below average students can think such deep into d concept.
> 4)we have given passpackages for drill. Was Dat came helpful to den.
> 5)below average students complained Dat no questions came from d pass
> packages wat v hav given for drill.
> On Apr 8, 2016 4:58 PM, "chiranjeevi khethavath" <
> yuvachiranjeevi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear sir not only this year.  every year science question paper was not
>> difficult to our teachers.compare to other  subject QP,sc QP is little bit
>> difficult to rural  Kannada medium students, they took passmark but cont
>> get more marks
>> On Apr 8, 2016 2:04 PM, "Gurumurthy K"  wrote:
>>
>>> dear Sunil sir
>>>
>>> in my opinion, it is not useful to have a vote on this issue - that will
>>> only tell us how many people agree/disagree (summative information)
>>>
>>> what will be more useful for all teachers is if we can analyse why we
>>> feel it was difficult, i can suggest some points for the discussion
>>>
>>> 1. was the question paper having questions on topics not part of the
>>> syllabus
>>> 2. was the question forcing students to think and apply what they learnt
>>> ... and not focusing on producing information from rote memory
>>> 3. was the level of Kannada language difficult to understand.
>>>
>>> i have not seen the science paper. But my doubt is as follows -
>>> if the question paper is not encouraging students to write from rote
>>> memory but forcing them to think and apply what they have learnt in
>>> answering, I think it may be difficult but it is good. Here the question is
>>> as teachers, are we making students memorise content, or are we helping
>>> them understand concepts which they can apply as per the question in the
>>> exam. as per the national curricular framework 2005 science position paper,
>>> one of the problems in science teaching is that we teach facts to be
>>> memorised by students. whereas the facts (content) is to be used for
>>> helping conceptual understanding. for eg. while teaching periodic table, it
>>> can be simply taught as a table to be memorised. where student needs to
>>>

Re: [EnglishSTF-6763] Answer key for state level preparatory exam - 2016.

2016-04-08 Thread Sandhya CR 
Shivaprasad sir, it is very useful.  Thank u.  But the problem is I don't
have the question paper.  Is it possible to send a copy of the same?  Thank
u.
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Re: [EnglishSTF-6762] Answer key for state level preparatory exam - 2016.

2016-04-08 Thread Thippeswamy R 
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On Mar 14, 2016 6:27 AM, "Siddeshwari H R"  wrote:

> www. pavagadajayanth@ mail.com
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>>
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>>
>> If you find any mistakes, kindly correct it yourself.
>>
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[EnglishSTF-6761] Re: [tsstf-'466'] Make a banner for encouraging parents to enrol their children in your school

2016-04-08 Thread Gurumurthy K 
Nagaraju sir

pls see the google album

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPA0lJndaM5WWYrmWli6Sb-wa41TUaRH9arc9AysKVtJKqHhZVMrUf4tjYjRLhzqA?key=aWtJMTdRam01STMzSFdqWDFlSFB1dWhKeXlTUVd3

for admission banners by GHS in bengaluru south 3 block
regards
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On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Nagaraju Devanapalli 
wrote:

> Dear sir,
>
> Very nice work by the school teachers. Here also so many Government
> schools are doing the same thing. Let us appreciate ourselves. Please all
> the teachers who are doing this type of propaganda by banners and pamphlets
> please share those photos in the mailing groups. So that all can do this.
> Please share your banners and pamphlets photos here.
>
> regards,
>
> On Sunday 28 February 2016 08:15 PM, Gurumurthy K wrote:
>
> Dear teachers,
>
> Private schools often do publicity for getting enrolment. Even though in
> many cases, private school teachers are not qualified as required by RTE,
> infrastructure is poor, teachers are poorly paid, academic facilities are
> poor, parents are sometimes misled by this publicity. Also media is guilty
> of mostly only sharing bad news about Government schools and creating a
> negative impression and making parents wrongly believe that private schools
> are always better than Government schools.
>
> Education Research says that when we allow for the home support and home
> conditions, the quality of private schools is not better than that of
> Government schools. In fact, with qualified teachers, regular teacher
> training, good infrastructure, many Govt schools are far ahead of their
> private counterparts.
>
> It is therefore necessary to publicise the good work being done by the
> Government schools so that parents have the full facts with them at the
> time of seeking admission for their children. It is necessary to correct
> the popular mis-conceptions about government schools. A strong public
> education system is necessary for equity and quality reasons.
>
> Some of the high schools in Bengaluru South 3 block have prepared simple
> banners providing information about the school, its infrastructure, staff,
> programs etc. Similar banners could be easily produced by any school,
> providing *correct information* about the school, so that parents have
> the required information. HMs should plan this in consultation with their
> staff and SDMC.
>
> For the Bengaluru South 3 banners, visit
> 
> https://goo.gl/photos/CLFxmmELEr7TNZ3a6
>
> (This is on the lines of the 'Save Government Schools' campaign being
> launched by many organisations in Karnataka).
>
> regards
> Guru
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