Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-03 Thread Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
Em Dom, 2013-11-03 às 21:12 +0100, Jérémy Zurcher escreveu: > No, > pacman -S texlive-latexextra to solve the above on archlinux texlive-latexextra is part of the texlive-most group. There is a whole wiki page on ArchWiki dedicated to texlive. If you don't want to care about LaTeX, just install

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-03 Thread Jérémy Zurcher
On Sunday 03 November 2013 11:39, Robert Heller wrote : > At Sun, 3 Nov 2013 23:35:19 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 09:14:20 -0500 Robert Heller said: > > > > > > that today was on arch (relatively up to date). i've had similar issues > > > > be

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-03 Thread Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
Em Dom, 2013-11-03 às 22:24 +0900, Carsten Haitzler escreveu: > that today was on arch (relatively up to date). i've had similar > issues before > on older ubuntu installs too. i chalked it up to doxygen output being > broken > for the kind of content/setup that efl ends up producing. Documentat

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-03 Thread Robert Heller
At Sun, 3 Nov 2013 23:35:19 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 09:14:20 -0500 Robert Heller said: > > > > that today was on arch (relatively up to date). i've had similar issues > > > before on older ubuntu installs too. i chalked it up to doxygen output > >

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 09:14:20 -0500 Robert Heller said: > > that today was on arch (relatively up to date). i've had similar issues > > before on older ubuntu installs too. i chalked it up to doxygen output > > being broken for the kind of content/setup that efl ends up producing. > > No, it is br

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-03 Thread Robert Heller
At Sun, 3 Nov 2013 22:24:50 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 07:46:38 -0500 Robert Heller said: > > > At Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:16:58 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 11:03:28 -0400 Robert Heller > > > sa

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-03 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 07:46:38 -0500 Robert Heller said: > At Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:16:58 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 11:03:28 -0400 Robert Heller said: > > > > > At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 23:36:23 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > > wrote: > > >

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-03 Thread Robert Heller
At Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:16:58 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 11:03:28 -0400 Robert Heller said: > > > At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 23:36:23 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 09:57:49 -0400 Robert Heller > > > sa

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 11:03:28 -0400 Robert Heller said: > At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 23:36:23 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 09:57:49 -0400 Robert Heller said: > > > > > At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:58:03 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > > wrote: > > >

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 00:36:15 + Andrew F said: > guys, these points are valid on both sides. > > I think one critical point that has not been looked at is what we want to > accomplish with E. > Obviously we want to encourage more developers. So why not help developers > get started with E.

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-02 Thread Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
Em Dom, 2013-11-03 às 00:36 +, Andrew F escreveu: > Lets give detailed assistance and give a reference in the docs if its > available and known, and if you want brownie points, offer > some narrative to tie it all together if appropriate. Give detailed assistance and give reference is redund

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-02 Thread Andrew F
guys, these points are valid on both sides. I think one critical point that has not been looked at is what we want to accomplish with E. Obviously we want to encourage more developers. So why not help developers get started with E. We could answer their questions directly and provide a source i

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-02 Thread Robert Heller
At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 23:36:23 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 09:57:49 -0400 Robert Heller said: > > > At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:58:03 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:48:23 -0400 Robert Heller > > > sa

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 09:57:49 -0400 Robert Heller said: > At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:58:03 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:48:23 -0400 Robert Heller said: > > > > > At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:22:57 +0900 Enlightenment developer list > > > wrote: > > > >

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-02 Thread Robert Heller
At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:58:03 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:48:23 -0400 Robert Heller said: > > > At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:22:57 +0900 Enlightenment developer list > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 02:17:32 -0400 Jose Gonzalez said: > > >

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:48:23 -0400 Robert Heller said: > At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:22:57 +0900 Enlightenment developer list > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 02:17:32 -0400 Jose Gonzalez said: > > > > > Carsten wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 05:57:59 -0400 Jose Gonzalez > > > > s

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-02 Thread Robert Heller
At Sat, 2 Nov 2013 18:22:57 +0900 Enlightenment developer list wrote: > > On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 02:17:32 -0400 Jose Gonzalez said: > > > Carsten wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 05:57:59 -0400 Jose Gonzalez said: > > > > > > > > >> Carsten wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Fri, 1 N

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 02:17:32 -0400 Jose Gonzalez said: > Carsten wrote: > > > On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 05:57:59 -0400 Jose Gonzalez said: > > > > > >> Carsten wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:40:42 + Andrew F > >>> said: > >>> > >>> > >>> > Hey guys, can someo

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Carsten wrote: > On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 05:57:59 -0400 Jose Gonzalez said: > > >> Carsten wrote: >> >> >>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:40:42 + Andrew F >>> said: >>> >>> >>> Hey guys, can someone point me to documentation that explains what a swallow is? and how its u

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 05:57:59 -0400 Jose Gonzalez said: > Carsten wrote: > > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:40:42 + Andrew F > > said: > > > > > >> Hey guys, can someone point me to documentation that explains what a > >> swallow is? > >> and how its used. > >> thanks > >> > > > > swallow t

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-11-01 Thread Jose Gonzalez
Carsten wrote: > On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:40:42 + Andrew F said: > > >> Hey guys, can someone point me to documentation that explains what a >> swallow is? >> and how its used. >> thanks >> > > swallow the name is something i adopted from fvwm2 days - it had swallow > stuff... and swallo

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 00:40:42 + Andrew F said: > Hey guys, can someone point me to documentation that explains what a > swallow is? > and how its used. > thanks swallow the name is something i adopted from fvwm2 days - it had swallow stuff... and swallows in edje are the same thing basically -

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-31 Thread Cedric BAIL
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:22:04 + Andrew F > said: > there is no chance we can compete with qt docs. not on the coldest day in hell > will it freeze over. qt literally has a whole pile of DEDICATED documentation > people paid fulltime..

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 22:22:04 + Andrew F said: there is no chance we can compete with qt docs. not on the coldest day in hell will it freeze over. qt literally has a whole pile of DEDICATED documentation people paid fulltime... and have been paid fulltime for many years. we have zero. doing d

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-31 Thread Andrew F
Hey guys, can someone point me to documentation that explains what a swallow is? and how its used. thanks On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Andrew F wrote: > enlightenment desktop is getting a lot of attention with e17. Good Speed, > good looks, and great features. > Maybe its time we step bac

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-31 Thread Andrew F
enlightenment desktop is getting a lot of attention with e17. Good Speed, good looks, and great features. Maybe its time we step back and look at where we are going and what that means. If Enlightenment is going big time, we are going to have more qualified programmers join the project and they

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-31 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 09:02:04 -0300 Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira said: > Em Qui, 2013-10-31 às 08:51 +0900, Carsten Haitzler escreveu: > > > i know. i spent some of my early life on unix/linux paying large sums > > for > > o'reilly books. and reading them cover to cover. they had diagrams. i > >

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-31 Thread Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
Em Qui, 2013-10-31 às 08:51 +0900, Carsten Haitzler escreveu: > i know. i spent some of my early life on unix/linux paying large sums > for > o'reilly books. and reading them cover to cover. they had diagrams. i > frankly > far prefer raw simple code over those books. the code is digestible in > a

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread Cedric BAIL
Hello, On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:43:45 -0400 Enlightenment users discussion & support >wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Robert Heller wrote: >> > At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:09:52 -0400 Enlightenment users discussion & >> > support

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:49:27 -0400 Robert Heller said: > At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:43:45 -0400 Enlightenment users discussion & support >wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > > > > > At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:09:52 -0400 Enlightenment users discussion & >

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:58:41 -0300 Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira said: > Em Qui, 2013-10-31 às 00:48 +0900, Carsten Haitzler escreveu: > > > this is simply a matter of time. spend 1hr adding a feature someone > > wants, or 1 > > hr writing docs. > > > Documentation is a feature too. in this ca

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread Robert Heller
At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:42:14 -0300 Enlightenment users discussion & support wrote: > > > > Em Qua, 2013-10-30 às 13:43 -0400, Nigel Sollars escreveu: > > > Would be cool to find a common agreement here. > > > > Nige > > > Like Rasterman said: It's an open source project. We can change t

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
Em Qua, 2013-10-30 às 13:43 -0400, Nigel Sollars escreveu: > Would be cool to find a common agreement here. > > Nige Like Rasterman said: It's an open source project. We can change the project and if the contribution is useful, it'll go upstream. But about "common agreement". This is not neede

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread Robert Heller
At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:43:45 -0400 Enlightenment users discussion & support wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Robert Heller wrote: > > > At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:09:52 -0400 Enlightenment users discussion & > > support wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Just to chime in w

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread Robert Heller
At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:09:52 -0400 Enlightenment users discussion & support wrote: > > Hi, > > Just to chime in with 10c's worth. > > This is my personal preference, working examples atleast as a base works > for me ( examples as in code )... Documentaions words are ok for the nitty > gr

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
Em Qui, 2013-10-31 às 00:48 +0900, Carsten Haitzler escreveu: > this is simply a matter of time. spend 1hr adding a feature someone > wants, or 1 > hr writing docs. Documentation is a feature too. > i personally use docs as reference only - i ALWAYS use example > codee. nothing to do with java

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 11:55:31 -0300 Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira said: > Em Qua, 2013-10-30 às 22:42 +0900, Carsten Haitzler escreveu: > > > given what you want is still a menu you can re-use the existing edje > > groups/parts for now until you have wrapped your head around edje. > > trust me - >

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
Em Qua, 2013-10-30 às 22:42 +0900, Carsten Haitzler escreveu: > given what you want is still a menu you can re-use the existing edje > groups/parts for now until you have wrapped your head around edje. > trust me - > it's not something a document will tell you or teach you. it's cold > hard slog >

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread Robert Heller
At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 22:42:36 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:47:23 -0400 Robert Heller said: > > > At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:30:54 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:14:07 -0400 Robert Heller > >

Re: [E-devel] [e-users] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

2013-10-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 08:47:23 -0400 Robert Heller said: > At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:30:54 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:14:07 -0400 Robert Heller said: > > > > > I am trying to write an alternitive version of the Enlightenment's 'start > > > me