Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-25 Thread Tiago Falcão
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Dave Andreoli wrote: > > * Lots of widget need a good rewrite/cleanup: > FLIP: The animation of the flip widget should be themeabe, not > hard-coded as they are now, > that kind of animation can be easily done directly in edje. This > require quite a > full rewrite

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-25 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:37:52 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler > wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:35:22 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > > said: > > > >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Tom Hacohen wrote: > >> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-25 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:50 AM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:35:22 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > said: > >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Tom Hacohen wrote: >> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Bruno Dilly wrote: >> >> >> >> But maybe we could drop widgets in a bad s

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 19:02:39 +0200 Dave Andreoli said: > 2010/10/21 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri : > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Davide Andreoli wrote: > >> Ok I have to say this: I'm really in disappoint whit this annunce! > >> I dont think elementary is ready for this. > >> At least for my

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 20:27:06 +0200 Dave Andreoli said: > 2010/10/22 Iván Briano (Sachiel) : > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Dave Andreoli > > wrote: > >> * What about selection in entries? is there a way to select the > >> text?...maybe I missed it. > >> > > > > Yup, depends on how the them

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:44:39 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > > I've been talking to Falcão, and what about just including the (auto) > > save / file set stuff to (scrolled) entries and remove notepad ? > > So if you want to set an entry to load / save to a file, you can use > > it the same

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:37:45 -0200 Leandro Pereira said: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Tom Hacohen wrote: > > > > elm_menu also needs a rewrite. > > > > I've sent some patches today, in the same line of recent Elm_Toolbar > changes -- breaking the API again -- and I with it were better; >

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:44:18 -0200 Bruno Dilly said: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves > > wrote: > >> Ladies and gentlemen, > >> > >> Elementary is planned to be released as alpha *soon*. This means th

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:35:22 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Tom Hacohen wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Bruno Dilly wrote: > >> > >> But maybe we could drop widgets in a bad shape? > >> > >> I couldn't look deeper on carousel yet, but I belie

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 20:24:31 +0200 Tom Hacohen said: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Bruno Dilly wrote: > > > But maybe we could drop widgets in a bad shape? > > > > I couldn't look deeper on carousel yet, but I believe it never was > > completely implemented. > > What should it be? Raster

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:03:34 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri said: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves > wrote: > > Ladies and gentlemen, > > > > Elementary is planned to be released as alpha *soon*. This means the > > API, after this snapshot, has to be "good to go" (but there

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:52:35 -0200 Gustavo Lima Chaves said: just one thing... you may be a bit premature with "soon". soon might mean a few weeks/months... not like tomorrow. :) but yes - we should look at fixing up any api issues we have. regardless. > Ladies and gentlemen, > > Elementary is

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-24 Thread Fabiano Fidêncio
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > Hi all, sorry taking so long to reply, but I was out of network access > + time to do it before. Find the answers inline, and I'm ignoring > couple as people already made good points on the rest of the thread. > > First, a disclaim

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-23 Thread Sachiel
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > Hi all, sorry taking so long to reply, but I was out of network access > + time to do it before. Find the answers inline, and I'm ignoring > couple as people already made good points on the rest of the thread. > > First, a disclaim

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-23 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
Hi all, sorry taking so long to reply, but I was out of network access + time to do it before. Find the answers inline, and I'm ignoring couple as people already made good points on the rest of the thread. First, a disclaimer of what is being done and some "why"s: - before going alpha we're re

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-23 Thread Rafael Fonseca
> Scroller are amazing, but on the desktop you want scrollbars to be > always visible and you want to drag them, not doing kinetic scroll all > the time. The thumbscroll is already disabled if you use the standard (i.e desktop) profile. I'm planning to make the scrollbars dragable like they are

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-23 Thread Nicolas Aguirre
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Dave Andreoli wrote: > Ok I'm at home now, I will try to list the first stuff that I have in mind: > Hi guys ! First i want to say that I agree with Dave's point of view. I use Elementary since the beginning and as Gustavo said I have to do a lot o hacks to have t

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-22 Thread Rafael Fonseca
> But like was discussed sometime ago in this ml, we could review the need > of all the image widgets: bg, icon, image, photo and photocam. Maybe > some of them can be merged? I have looked into these widgets and bg, icon and photocam have very specific purposes. The photocam widget is targeted a

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-22 Thread Dave Andreoli
2010/10/22 Iván Briano (Sachiel) : > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Dave Andreoli wrote: >> * What about selection in entries? is there a way to select the >> text?...maybe I missed it. >> > > Yup, depends on how the theme is defined, standard click+drag selection works. > The default now though

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-22 Thread Sachiel
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Dave Andreoli wrote: > * What about selection in entries? is there a way to select the > text?...maybe I missed it. > Yup, depends on how the theme is defined, standard click+drag selection works. The default now though is to have explicit selections, where you ne

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-22 Thread Rafael Fonseca
> PHOTO/GENGRID do we need the PHOTO widget anymore? aren't the same? Photo has nothing to do with Gengrid. They are completely different widgets. Gengrid aims to position objects in a grid style but only creating Evas_Objects on demand. Photo widget's purpose is to display a photo. You are pro

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-22 Thread Dave Andreoli
2010/10/21 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri : > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Davide Andreoli wrote: >> Ok I have to say this: I'm really in disappoint whit this annunce! >> I dont think elementary is ready for this. >> At least for my experience every time you write an app using elm you need to >> pa

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-21 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Davide Andreoli wrote: > Ok I have to say this: I'm really in disappoint whit this annunce! > I dont think elementary is ready for this. > At least for my experience every time you write an app using elm you need to > patch/break/add stuff to elm itself. So freezi

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-21 Thread Tom Hacohen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:59 -0200, Bruno Dilly wrote: > I've been talking to Falcão, and what about just including the (auto) > save / file set stuff to (scrolled) entries and remove notepad ? > So if you want to set an entry to load / save to a file, you can use > it the same way you could use not

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-20 Thread Leandro Pereira
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Tom Hacohen wrote: > > elm_menu also needs a rewrite. > I've sent some patches today, in the same line of recent Elm_Toolbar changes -- breaking the API again -- and I with it were better; discussing with k-s, he commented on porting the ideas of the menu code in

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-20 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Bruno Dilly wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Iván Briano (Sachiel) > wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Tom Hacohen >> wrote: >>> Yay. >>> Does that mean that elementary will finally be moved out of TMP? :P >>> >>> Anyhow, great job, I love elem

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-20 Thread Bruno Dilly
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Iván Briano (Sachiel) wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Tom Hacohen > wrote: >> Yay. >> Does that mean that elementary will finally be moved out of TMP? :P >> >> Anyhow, great job, I love elementary, and was very glad to see this >> announcement. >> >> Pl

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-20 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Tom Hacohen wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Bruno Dilly wrote: >> >> But maybe we could drop widgets in a bad shape? >> >> I couldn't look deeper on carousel yet, but I believe it never was >> completely implemented. >> What should it be? Raster ? > > el

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-20 Thread Tom Hacohen
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Bruno Dilly wrote: > But maybe we could drop widgets in a bad shape? > > I couldn't look deeper on carousel yet, but I believe it never was > completely implemented. > What should it be? Raster ? > elm_menu also needs a rewrite. Coming to think of it, isn't it

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-20 Thread Bruno Dilly
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves > wrote: >> Ladies and gentlemen, >> >> Elementary is planned to be released as alpha *soon*. This means the >> API, after this snapshot, has to be "good to go" (but there may

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-20 Thread Tom Hacohen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:09 -0200, Iván Briano (Sachiel) wrote: > No. Returning internal objects for users to meddle with is a very bad idea. > What's done around with other composed widgets is adding functions > mirroring the ones of the internal widgets. It's ugly and I really dislike it, > but a

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-20 Thread Sachiel
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Tom Hacohen wrote: > Yay. > Does that mean that elementary will finally be moved out of TMP? :P > > Anyhow, great job, I love elementary, and was very glad to see this > announcement. > > Please consider also including a bit of "internals exposing", for > example,

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-20 Thread Tom Hacohen
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 04:51 -0400, Mike Blumenkrantz wrote: > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:56:47 +0200 > Tom Hacohen wrote: > > > Yay. > > Does that mean that elementary will finally be moved out of TMP? :P > > > And into PROTO! That's no joking matter, it's a scary option.

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Blumenkrantz
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 09:56:47 +0200 Tom Hacohen wrote: > Yay. > Does that mean that elementary will finally be moved out of TMP? :P > And into PROTO! -- Mike Blumenkrantz Zentific: Our boolean values are huge. -- Downlo

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-20 Thread Tom Hacohen
Yay. Does that mean that elementary will finally be moved out of TMP? :P Anyhow, great job, I love elementary, and was very glad to see this announcement. Please consider also including a bit of "internals exposing", for example, elm_notepad is made of an elm_entry, we should have a function "elm

Re: [E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-19 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Gustavo Lima Chaves wrote: > Ladies and gentlemen, > > Elementary is planned to be released as alpha *soon*. This means the > API, after this snapshot, has to be "good to go" (but there may be > bugs on implementation, still). The focus is on fixing bugs now and >

[E-devel] ANNOUNCE: ALPHA Release of Elementary

2010-10-19 Thread Gustavo Lima Chaves
Ladies and gentlemen, Elementary is planned to be released as alpha *soon*. This means the API, after this snapshot, has to be "good to go" (but there may be bugs on implementation, still). The focus is on fixing bugs now and keeping API stable for a full release once bugs are gone. We're working