[e-users] Previous instance of Enlightenment
With enlightenment 0.18.2 I get this error message: A previous instance of Enlightenment is still active on this screen. Aborting startup. But I cannot see any Enlightenment (or other) sessions. What is wrong? Regards, rezso -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Previous instance of Enlightenment
On 25/01/14 15:00, Páder Rezső wrote: With enlightenment 0.18.2 I get this error message: A previous instance of Enlightenment is still active on this screen. Aborting startup. But I cannot see any Enlightenment (or other) sessions. What is wrong? Regards, rezso Just a guess: Running 18.2 on my pc has 3 */bin/enlightenment, enlightenment_ start, efreetd and dbus-launch --exit-with-session enlightenment_start. Maybe one of those is still running? rob -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Previous instance of Enlightenment
Just a guess: Running 18.2 on my pc has 3 */bin/enlightenment, enlightenment_ start, efreetd and dbus-launch --exit-with-session enlightenment_start. Maybe one of those is still running? No. My .xsession-errors ends with: ESTART: 0.03375 [0.0] - E_Hints Init Enlightenment Error A previous instance of Enlightenment is still active on this screen. Aborting startup. E - PID=8695, valgrind=0 But in output of 'ps -fax' the PID 8695 not exists. (I attached the output of 'ps fax' as root.) Regards, rezso PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND 2 ?S 0:00 [kthreadd] 3 ?S 0:00 \_ [ksoftirqd/0] 6 ?S 0:00 \_ [migration/0] 7 ?S 0:00 \_ [watchdog/0] 8 ?S 0:00 \_ [migration/1] 10 ?S 0:00 \_ [ksoftirqd/1] 12 ?S 0:00 \_ [watchdog/1] 13 ?S 0:00 \_ [cpuset] 14 ?S 0:00 \_ [khelper] 15 ?S 0:00 \_ [kdevtmpfs] 16 ?S 0:00 \_ [netns] 17 ?S 0:00 \_ [sync_supers] 18 ?S 0:00 \_ [bdi-default] 19 ?S 0:00 \_ [kintegrityd] 20 ?S 0:00 \_ [kblockd] 22 ?S 0:00 \_ [khungtaskd] 23 ?S 0:00 \_ [kswapd0] 24 ?SN 0:00 \_ [ksmd] 25 ?SN 0:04 \_ [khugepaged] 26 ?S 0:00 \_ [fsnotify_mark] 27 ?S 0:00 \_ [jfsIO] 28 ?S 0:00 \_ [jfsCommit] 29 ?S 0:00 \_ [jfsCommit] 30 ?S 0:00 \_ [jfsSync] 31 ?S 0:00 \_ [xfsalloc] 32 ?S 0:00 \_ [xfs_mru_cache] 33 ?S 0:00 \_ [xfslogd] 34 ?S 0:00 \_ [crypto] 40 ?S 0:00 \_ [kthrotld] 44 ?S 0:00 \_ [irq/40-mei] 45 ?S 0:00 \_ [deferwq] 217 ?S 0:00 \_ [khubd] 227 ?S 0:00 \_ [cfg80211] 242 ?S 0:00 \_ [ata_sff] 253 ?S 0:00 \_ [kpsmoused] 295 ?S 0:00 \_ [hd-audio0] 312 ?S 0:00 \_ [scsi_eh_0] 315 ?S 0:00 \_ [scsi_eh_1] 317 ?S 0:00 \_ [scsi_eh_2] 319 ?S 0:00 \_ [scsi_eh_3] 320 ?S 0:00 \_ [scsi_eh_4] 321 ?S 0:00 \_ [scsi_eh_5] 502 ?S 0:00 \_ [jbd2/sda1-8] 503 ?S 0:00 \_ [ext4-dio-unwrit] 536 ?S 0:00 \_ [hci0] 823 ?S 0:00 \_ [flush-8:0] 874 ?S 0:00 \_ [jbd2/sda2-8] 875 ?S 0:00 \_ [ext4-dio-unwrit] 907 ?S 0:00 \_ [jbd2/sda4-8] 908 ?S 0:00 \_ [ext4-dio-unwrit] 938 ?S 0:00 \_ [iprt] 1190 ?S 0:00 \_ [krfcommd] 8007 ?S 0:00 \_ [kworker/1:0] 8087 ?S 0:00 \_ [kworker/0:0] 8106 ?S 0:00 \_ [kworker/u:0] 8138 ?S 0:00 \_ [kworker/u:2] 8164 ?S 0:00 \_ [kworker/1:2] 8279 ?S 0:00 \_ [kworker/0:2] 8318 ?S 0:00 \_ [kworker/u:1] 8689 ?S 0:00 \_ [kworker/1:1] 8767 ?S 0:00 \_ [kworker/0:1] 1 ?Ss 0:07 init [5] 555 ?Ss0:00 udevd -d 7889 ?S 0:00 \_ udevd -d 950 ?Ss 0:00 /sbin/syslogd 959 ?Ss 0:00 /sbin/klogd 971 ?Ss 0:02 /bin/dbus-daemon --system 1022 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/vnstatd -d 1030 ?Ssl0:01 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager 1259 ?S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/dhclient -d -4 -sf /usr/libexec/nm-dhcp-client.action -pf /var/run/dhclient-wlan0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhclient/dhclient-5d4f80a5-7787-44de-8d6f-97a10235668c-wlan0.lease -cf /var/run/nm-dhclient-wlan0.conf wlan0 1035 ?Sl 0:00 /usr/libexec/polkit-1/polkitd --no-debug 1039 ?S 0:00 /usr/sbin/modem-manager 1046 ?S 0:00 /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -u -f /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log -P /var/run/wpa_supplicant.pid 1068 ?S 0:00 avahi-daemon: running [papi.local] 1077 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/gpm 1091 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/atd 1103 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/bluetoothd 1114 ?Ssl0:00 /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon 1191 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/crond 1200 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -C /etc/cups/cupsd.conf 1211 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd 1224 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/stunnel 1225 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/stunnel 1226 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/stunnel 1227 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/stunnel 1228 ?S 0:00 /usr/bin/stunnel 1229 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/bin/stunnel 1240 ?S 0:10 /usr/sbin/usbmuxd 1249 ?Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm-binary 1252 ?S 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/gdm-binary 8670 tty7 Ss+0:02 | \_ /usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 8723 ?Ss 0:00 \_
Re: [e-users] Previous instance of Enlightenment
On 25/01/14 16:50, Páder Rezső wrote: Just a guess: Running 18.2 on my pc has 3 */bin/enlightenment, enlightenment_ start, efreetd and dbus-launch --exit-with-session enlightenment_start. Maybe one of those is still running? No. My .xsession-errors ends with: ESTART: 0.03375 [0.0] - E_Hints Init Enlightenment Error A previous instance of Enlightenment is still active on this screen. Aborting startup. E - PID=8695, valgrind=0 But in output of 'ps -fax' the PID 8695 not exists. (I attached the output of 'ps fax' as root.) Regards, rezso Weird. Have you tried restarting gdm login manager and X? rob -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Previous instance of Enlightenment
Weird. Have you tried restarting gdm login manager and X? I logged out from MATE, and logged in to Enlightenment. Nothing else. rezso -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy
I have made debs for Wheezy (latest wheezy, 7.3 - you may need to apt-get upgrade) for E18 etc. Also terminology and econnman, but NOT python-efl. If you want to use econnman you'll have to install the -dev debs for libefl, etc, and install the python-efl from enlightenment.org. (I have done this and it is working well. I just don't know how to package the python stuff yet) If you want to try these debs: Be sure to remove any previous vin-dit entries in sources.list, and the packages for e17 that came from there. (including libembryo1) add to your sources.list: deb http://vin-dit.org/~jholland/newrepo stable main and do and b apt-get install enlightenment apt-get install terminology . Let me know if you have any problems, etc. BTW these are _unsigned_ . apt-get and aptitude (especially aptitude) complain. tell them not to worry. -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy
Packaging python stuff is pretty straight forward. Just extract the release tar and do a dh-make and a dpkg-buildpackage On 1/25/14 16:32 John Holland wrote: I have made debs for Wheezy (latest wheezy, 7.3 - you may need to apt-get upgrade) for E18 etc. Also terminology and econnman, but NOT python-efl. If you want to use econnman you'll have to install the -dev debs for libefl, etc, and install the python-efl from enlightenment.org. (I have done this and it is working well. I just don't know how to package the python stuff yet) If you want to try these debs: Be sure to remove any previous vin-dit entries in sources.list, and the packages for e17 that came from there. (including libembryo1) add to your sources.list: deb http://vin-dit.org/~jholland/newrepo stable main and do and b apt-get install enlightenment apt-get install terminology . Let me know if you have any problems, etc. BTW these are _unsigned_ . apt-get and aptitude (especially aptitude) complain. tell them not to worry. -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:32:25 -0500 John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote: I have made debs for Wheezy (latest wheezy, 7.3 - you may need to ...snip Cool! What will installing this do to the configuration in ~/.e ? Also, I'm running Debian unstable, do you see that as an issue or reason to *not* try these? -- Regards, Christopher Barry Random geeky fortune: There is no security on this earth. There is only opportunity. -- General Douglas MacArthur -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy
My .e configurations have survived seemingly intact. I don't know if you running unstable is a problem - all the supporting stuff will be newer than this was built against but that's supposed to be OK. I guess I would say back up your .e directory because the upgrade may change it to some newer format. If you have .e backed up then you can always go back to the debs you're using now if you have any problems. Nice thing about packages is they should be able to be swapped in and out pretty safely. On 01/25/2014 06:28 PM, Christopher Barry wrote: On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:32:25 -0500 John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote: I have made debs for Wheezy (latest wheezy, 7.3 - you may need to ...snip Cool! What will installing this do to the configuration in ~/.e ? Also, I'm running Debian unstable, do you see that as an issue or reason to *not* try these? -- Regards, Christopher Barry Random geeky fortune: There is no security on this earth. There is only opportunity. -- General Douglas MacArthur -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy
Also e17 has a lot of separate dependencies like libeina, libecore, that got rolled up into libefl. (by enlightenment.org, not by me) Make sure to remove them all if you install these new debs. The new arrangement involves a lot less separate packages. On 01/25/2014 06:28 PM, Christopher Barry wrote: On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:32:25 -0500 John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote: I have made debs for Wheezy (latest wheezy, 7.3 - you may need to ...snip Cool! What will installing this do to the configuration in ~/.e ? Also, I'm running Debian unstable, do you see that as an issue or reason to *not* try these? -- Regards, Christopher Barry Random geeky fortune: There is no security on this earth. There is only opportunity. -- General Douglas MacArthur -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy
Cool. I'll try it. Thanks. On Jan 25, 2014 6:39 PM, John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote: My .e configurations have survived seemingly intact. I don't know if you running unstable is a problem - all the supporting stuff will be newer than this was built against but that's supposed to be OK. I guess I would say back up your .e directory because the upgrade may change it to some newer format. If you have .e backed up then you can always go back to the debs you're using now if you have any problems. Nice thing about packages is they should be able to be swapped in and out pretty safely. On 01/25/2014 06:28 PM, Christopher Barry wrote: On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:32:25 -0500 John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote: I have made debs for Wheezy (latest wheezy, 7.3 - you may need to ...snip Cool! What will installing this do to the configuration in ~/.e ? Also, I'm running Debian unstable, do you see that as an issue or reason to *not* try these? -- Regards, Christopher Barry Random geeky fortune: There is no security on this earth. There is only opportunity. -- General Douglas MacArthur -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy
The home page is here: http://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/ On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:34:51 -0500 Christopher Barry christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com wrote: So, trying to see what depends on what, I discovered debtree - a very cool script that generates dependency graphs. # apt-get install debtree Then I ran it like so: # debtree -R e17 /tmp/out.dot \ dot -T png -o /tmp/out.png /tmp/out.dot \ gpicview /tmp/out.png see attached for a 'wow!' experience :) -C On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:41:02 -0500 John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote: Also e17 has a lot of separate dependencies like libeina, libecore, that got rolled up into libefl. (by enlightenment.org, not by me) Make sure to remove them all if you install these new debs. The new arrangement involves a lot less separate packages. On 01/25/2014 06:28 PM, Christopher Barry wrote: On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:32:25 -0500 John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote: I have made debs for Wheezy (latest wheezy, 7.3 - you may need to ...snip Cool! What will installing this do to the configuration in ~/.e ? Also, I'm running Debian unstable, do you see that as an issue or reason to *not* try these? -- Regards, Christopher Barry Random geeky fortune: If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the remaining 3%? -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:34:51 -0500
Christopher Barry christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
So, trying to see what depends on what, I discovered debtree - a very
cool script that generates dependency graphs.
# apt-get install debtree
Then I ran it like so:
# debtree -R e17 /tmp/out.dot \
dot -T png -o /tmp/out.png /tmp/out.dot \
gpicview /tmp/out.png
See output image here:
http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=65797
I hacked up a quick wrapper to make it a bit easier to use.
saveas debgraph somewhere in the path, chown root:root, and chmod 750
watch for any line-wrapping from this email...
-C
#!/bin/bash
# generate a dependency graph of a package
DEBTREE=debtree
DOT=dot
VIEWER=gpicview
TMPDIR=/tmp
[[ $(id -u) == 0 ]] || { echo gotta be root; exit 1; }
[[ ${#} -gt 0 ]] || {
echo generate and view dependency graphs for deb packages
echo Usage: $0 [see 'man debtree' for options] pkgname
exit 1
}
args=($@)
TMPFN=${TMPDIR}/${args[${#args[@]} - 1]}_dep-graph
[[ $(which ${DEBTREE}) ]] || {
echo Error: $DEBTREE not installed.
echo use: apt-get install debtree
exit 1
}
[[ $(which ${DOT}) ]] || {
echo Error: $DOT not installed.
echo use: apt-get install graphviz
exit 1
}
[[ $(which ${VIEWER}) ]] || {
echo Error: $VIEWER not installed.
echo Either install it, or edit $0 with different VIEWER program
exit 1
}
${DEBTREE} $@ | ${DOT} -T png -o ${TMPFN}.png (cat -) \
${VIEWER} ${TMPFN}.png
# after exiting the viewer...
read -p Delete generated graph ${TMPFN}.png? [Yn] ans
case ${ans} in
n|N) :: ;;
*) rm -f ${TMPFN}.png ;;
esac
exit $?
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Re: [e-users] Previous instance of Enlightenment
Cedric Bail On Jan 26, 2014 2:00 AM, Páder Rezső re...@rezso.net wrote: With enlightenment 0.18.2 I get this error message: A previous instance of Enlightenment is still active on this screen. Aborting startup. But I cannot see any Enlightenment (or other) sessions. What is wrong? A xinerama setup maybe? Better move to xrandr (could be the case with old nvidia driver). Regards, rezso -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For Critical Workloads, Development Environments Everything In Between. Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
