Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-08 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Tue, Feb 07, 2017 at 08:03:52AM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> Thank you for experimental debian, Ross. I have added it in 
> https://www.enlightenment.org/distros/debian-start

Been busy with travel and work - thanks for adding that!

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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-06 Thread Pierre Couderc
OK.

Thank you for experimental debian, Ross. I have added it in 
https://www.enlightenment.org/distros/debian-start


On 02/07/2017 05:16 AM, Ross Vandegrift wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 12:09:40PM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
>> I am using (in this case) debian experimental
>> http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/e/e17/e17_0.21.5-1_changelog
>> (which is not e17 but e0.21.5...)
>> that I suppose not built with wayland option.
>> It is not a problem, I just wanted to try wayland : it will wait a bit...
> Yea wayland is not included in the experimental packages - I tried it,
> it didn't work.  When I searched the list, it looked like wayland really
> needs git efl + e to be happy.
>
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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-06 Thread Ross Vandegrift
On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 12:09:40PM +0100, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> I am using (in this case) debian experimental
> http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/e/e17/e17_0.21.5-1_changelog
>  
> (which is not e17 but e0.21.5...)
> that I suppose not built with wayland option.
> It is not a problem, I just wanted to try wayland : it will wait a bit...

Yea wayland is not included in the experimental packages - I tried it,
it didn't work.  When I searched the list, it looked like wayland really
needs git efl + e to be happy.

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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-06 Thread Pierre Couderc
On 02/06/2017 01:54 PM, maderios wrote:
> On 02/06/2017 12:09 PM, Pierre Couderc wrote:
>
>> I am using (in this case) debian experimental
>> http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/e/e17/e17_0.21.5-1_changelog
>> (which is not e17 but e0.21.5...)
>> that I suppose not built with wayland option.
> You may look at e.deb dependencies to check if it was compiled with wayland
Yes thank you.

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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-06 Thread maderios
On 02/06/2017 12:09 PM, Pierre Couderc wrote:

> I am using (in this case) debian experimental
> http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/e/e17/e17_0.21.5-1_changelog
> (which is not e17 but e0.21.5...)
> that I suppose not built with wayland option.
You may look at e.deb dependencies to check if it was compiled with wayland
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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-06 Thread Pierre Couderc
On 02/06/2017 11:21 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 09:13:58 +0100 Pierre Couderc  said:
>
>> On 02/06/2017 08:59 AM, Pierre Couderc wrote:
>>> On 02/04/2017 02:40 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 07:04:15 +0100 nous  said:

> OK, Thank you.
>
> I thought that with wayland, X was not necessary
 for wayland mode - yes. just enlightenment_start will do the job. of course
 this requires systemd (and a logind login session) to be able to get
 permission to the right devices... :)

>>> I am ready to try it with systemd under stretch, but I do not succes to
>>> find, install and start logind ?
>>>
>>>
>> I see the systemd logind is active. So I suppose that waylan support is
>> not active in deban experimental.
> you are using the efl/enlightenment packages from debian?
>
>
I am using (in this case) debian experimental
http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/e/e17/e17_0.21.5-1_changelog
 
(which is not e17 but e0.21.5...)
that I suppose not built with wayland option.
It is not a problem, I just wanted to try wayland : it will wait a bit...

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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 08:59:06 +0100 Pierre Couderc  said:

> On 02/04/2017 02:40 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 07:04:15 +0100 nous  said:
> >
> >> OK, Thank you.
> >>
> >> I thought that with wayland, X was not necessary
> > for wayland mode - yes. just enlightenment_start will do the job. of course
> > this requires systemd (and a logind login session) to be able to get
> > permission to the right devices... :)
> >
> I am ready to try it with systemd under stretch, but I do not succes to 
> find, install and start logind ?

it's part of systemd. did you enable drm in efl? other necessaries in efl:

--enable-elput --enable-egl --with-opengl=es --enable-gl-drm --enable-libinput
--enable-wayland --enable-drm --enable-drm-hw-accel --enable-systemd

and enlightenment would need:

--enable-wayland --enable-wayland-egl --enable-wl-desktop-shell
-enable-wl-drm --enable-wl-text-input --enable-wl-weekeyboard

at a minimum. maybe also:

--enable-xwayland --enable-wl-x11


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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 09:13:58 +0100 Pierre Couderc  said:

> On 02/06/2017 08:59 AM, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> > On 02/04/2017 02:40 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >> On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 07:04:15 +0100 nous  said:
> >>
> >>> OK, Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> I thought that with wayland, X was not necessary
> >> for wayland mode - yes. just enlightenment_start will do the job. of course
> >> this requires systemd (and a logind login session) to be able to get
> >> permission to the right devices... :)
> >>
> > I am ready to try it with systemd under stretch, but I do not succes to
> > find, install and start logind ?
> >
> >
> I see the systemd logind is active. So I suppose that waylan support is 
> not active in deban experimental.

you are using the efl/enlightenment packages from debian?


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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-06 Thread Pierre Couderc
On 02/06/2017 08:59 AM, Pierre Couderc wrote:
> On 02/04/2017 02:40 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 07:04:15 +0100 nous  said:
>>
>>> OK, Thank you.
>>>
>>> I thought that with wayland, X was not necessary
>> for wayland mode - yes. just enlightenment_start will do the job. of course
>> this requires systemd (and a logind login session) to be able to get 
>> permission
>> to the right devices... :)
>>
> I am ready to try it with systemd under stretch, but I do not succes to
> find, install and start logind ?
>
>
I see the systemd logind is active. So I suppose that waylan support is 
not active in deban experimental.


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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-06 Thread Pierre Couderc
On 02/04/2017 02:40 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 07:04:15 +0100 nous  said:
>
>> OK, Thank you.
>>
>> I thought that with wayland, X was not necessary
> for wayland mode - yes. just enlightenment_start will do the job. of course
> this requires systemd (and a logind login session) to be able to get 
> permission
> to the right devices... :)
>
I am ready to try it with systemd under stretch, but I do not succes to 
find, install and start logind ?


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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-04 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 23:01:30 + Mick  said:

> On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 11:25:19 Christopher Barry wrote:
> > On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 22:40:34 +0900
> > 
> > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:
> > >On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 07:04:15 +0100 nous  said:
> > >> OK, Thank you.
> > >> 
> > >> I thought that with wayland, X was not necessary
> > >
> > >for wayland mode - yes. just enlightenment_start will do the job. of
> > >course this requires systemd (and a logind login session) to be able
> > >to get permission to the right devices... :)
> > 
> > As an aside, does Enlightenment /depend/ upon systemd if not in
> > wayland mode?
> 
> No, I 've been running it here with OpenRC on Gentoo, very nicely.  :-)

though you may have to edit sysactions.conf (PREFIX/etc/enlightenment/) to make
things like suspend/shutdown/etc. work right. if you have systemd, e will talk
to it and use it to do these actions (and query if they are possible).


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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-04 Thread Mick
On Saturday 04 Feb 2017 11:25:19 Christopher Barry wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 22:40:34 +0900
> 
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:
> >On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 07:04:15 +0100 nous  said:
> >> OK, Thank you.
> >> 
> >> I thought that with wayland, X was not necessary
> >
> >for wayland mode - yes. just enlightenment_start will do the job. of
> >course this requires systemd (and a logind login session) to be able
> >to get permission to the right devices... :)
> 
> As an aside, does Enlightenment /depend/ upon systemd if not in
> wayland mode?

No, I 've been running it here with OpenRC on Gentoo, very nicely.  :-)

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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-04 Thread Christopher Barry
On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 22:40:34 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:

>On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 07:04:15 +0100 nous  said:
>
>> OK, Thank you.
>> 
>> I thought that with wayland, X was not necessary  
>
>for wayland mode - yes. just enlightenment_start will do the job. of
>course this requires systemd (and a logind login session) to be able
>to get permission to the right devices... :)
>

As an aside, does Enlightenment /depend/ upon systemd if not in
wayland mode?

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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-04 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 07:04:15 +0100 nous  said:

> OK, Thank you.
> 
> I thought that with wayland, X was not necessary

for wayland mode - yes. just enlightenment_start will do the job. of course
this requires systemd (and a logind login session) to be able to get permission
to the right devices... :)

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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-03 Thread nous
OK, Thank you.

I thought that with wayland, X was not necessary




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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-03 Thread Dave
 The error you see is because your X server isn't running.  Follow the
instructions from maderios.  That's the way I start E, although I have a
plain "enlightenment_start" in my .xsession file.  No essential need for the
"exec" part.

 Cheers,
 dave.k


 In the year 2017, of the month of February, on the 3rd day, Pierre Couderc 
wrote:
> On 02/03/2017 08:22 PM, christopher barry wrote:
> > enlightenment_start to fire it all up. 
> Thnk you very much, I was not sure, so I had tried that but  I have 
> errors (it is a fresh stretch system with only e)  :
> 
> ESTART: 0.1 [0.1] - Begin Startup
> ESTART: 0.00010 [0.9] - Signal Trap
> ESTART: 0.00011 [0.2] - Signal Trap Done
> ESTART: 0.00018 [0.6] - Eina Init
> ESTART: 0.00060 [0.00042] - Eina Init Done
> ESTART: 0.00062 [0.2] - Determine Prefix
> ESTART: 0.00093 [0.00031] - Determine Prefix Done
> ESTART: 0.00109 [0.00016] - Environment Variables
> ESTART: 0.00116 [0.7] - Environment Variables Done
> ESTART: 0.00118 [0.2] - Parse Arguments
> ESTART: 0.00135 [0.00018] - Parse Arguments Done
> ESTART: 0.00137 [0.1] - Eet Init
> ESTART: 0.00145 [0.9] - Eet Init Done
> ESTART: 0.00147 [0.2] - Ecore Init
> ESTART: 0.03572 [0.03425] - Ecore Init Done
> ESTART: 0.04615 [0.01043] - EFX Init
> ESTART: 0.04633 [0.00017] - EFX Init Done
> ESTART: 0.04635 [0.2] - EIO Init
> ESTART: 0.15024 [0.10389] - EIO Init Done
> ESTART: 0.15035 [0.00011] - Ecore Event Handlers
> ESTART: 0.15037 [0.2] - Ecore Event Handlers Done
> ESTART: 0.15039 [0.1] - Ecore_File Init
> ESTART: 0.15040 [0.1] - Ecore_File Init Done
> ESTART: 0.15041 [0.1] - Ecore_Con Init
> ESTART: 0.15042 [0.1] - Ecore_Con Init Done
> ESTART: 0.15044 [0.1] - Ecore_Ipc Init
> ESTART: 0.15045 [0.1] - Ecore_Ipc Init Done
> ESTART: 0.15055 [0.00010] - Ecore_Evas Init
> ESTART: 0.15157 [0.00102] - Ecore_Evas Init Done
> ESTART: 0.15167 [0.00010] - Elementary Init
> ESTART: 0.22038 [0.06871] - Elementary Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22049 [0.00011] - Emotion Init
> ESTART: 0.22106 [0.00056] - Emotion Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22117 [0.00012] - Ecore_Evas Engine Check
> ESTART: 0.22135 [0.00017] - Ecore_Evas Engine Check Done
> ESTART: 0.22137 [0.3] - E Intl Init
> ESTART: 0.22147 [0.00010] - E Intl Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22149 [0.2] - E_Alert Init
> ESTART: 0.22150 [0.1] - E_Alert Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22152 [0.1] - E Directories Init
> ESTART: 0.22169 [0.00017] - E Directories Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22172 [0.3] - E_Filereg Init
> ESTART: 0.22176 [0.4] - E_Filereg Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22177 [0.1] - E_Config Init
> ESTART: 0.22439 [0.00262] - E_Config Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22451 [0.00012] - E_Env Init
> ESTART: 0.22452 [0.2] - E_Env Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22456 [0.4] - E Paths Init
> ESTART: 0.22467 [0.00011] - E Paths Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22469 [0.2] - E_Ipc Init
> ESTART: 0.22505 [0.00036] - E_Ipc Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22513 [0.8] - E_Font Init
> ESTART: 0.22532 [0.00019] - E_Font Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22537 [0.5] - E_Font Apply
> ESTART: 0.22539 [0.2] - E_Font Apply Done
> ESTART: 0.22540 [0.1] - E_Theme Init
> ESTART: 0.22548 [0.8] - E_Theme Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22550 [0.2] - E_Moveresize Init
> ESTART: 0.22554 [0.3] - E_Moveresize Init Done
> ESTART: 0.22555 [0.1] - E_Msgbus Init
> ESTART: 0.23040 [0.00485] - E_Msgbus Init Done
> ESTART: 0.23051 [0.00011] - Efreet Init
> ESTART: 0.23053 [0.1] - Efreet Init Done
> ESTART: 0.23054 [0.1] - E_Intl Post Init
> ESTART: 0,24106 [0,01052] - E_Intl Post Init Done
> ESTART: 0,24117 [0,00011] - E_Configure Init
> ESTART: 0,24194 [0,00078] - E_Configure Init Done
> ESTART: 0,24206 [0,00012] - E_Actions Init
> ESTART: 0,24304 [0,00098] - E_Actions Init Done
> ESTART: 0,24319 [0,00015] - E_Powersave Init
> ESTART: 0,24322 [0,3] - E_Powersave Init Done
> ESTART: 0,24323 [0,1] - E_Screensaver Init
> ESTART: 0,24326 [0,2] - E_Screensaver Init Done
> ESTART: 0,24327 [0,1] - Screens Init
> ESTART: 0,24328 [0,1] - screens: client
> ESTART: 0,24330 [0,2] - screens: win
> ESTART: 0,24336 [0,6] - Compositor Init
>  Enlightenment Error 
> Enlightenment ne parvient pas à initialiser Ecore_X !
> 
>  Enlightenment Error 
> Enlightenment cannot create a compositor.
> 
> E: Begin Shutdown Procedure!
> E - PID=880, valgrind=0
> 
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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-03 Thread Pierre Couderc
On 02/03/2017 08:22 PM, christopher barry wrote:
> enlightenment_start to fire it all up. 
Thnk you very much, I was not sure, so I had tried that but  I have 
errors (it is a fresh stretch system with only e)  :

ESTART: 0.1 [0.1] - Begin Startup
ESTART: 0.00010 [0.9] - Signal Trap
ESTART: 0.00011 [0.2] - Signal Trap Done
ESTART: 0.00018 [0.6] - Eina Init
ESTART: 0.00060 [0.00042] - Eina Init Done
ESTART: 0.00062 [0.2] - Determine Prefix
ESTART: 0.00093 [0.00031] - Determine Prefix Done
ESTART: 0.00109 [0.00016] - Environment Variables
ESTART: 0.00116 [0.7] - Environment Variables Done
ESTART: 0.00118 [0.2] - Parse Arguments
ESTART: 0.00135 [0.00018] - Parse Arguments Done
ESTART: 0.00137 [0.1] - Eet Init
ESTART: 0.00145 [0.9] - Eet Init Done
ESTART: 0.00147 [0.2] - Ecore Init
ESTART: 0.03572 [0.03425] - Ecore Init Done
ESTART: 0.04615 [0.01043] - EFX Init
ESTART: 0.04633 [0.00017] - EFX Init Done
ESTART: 0.04635 [0.2] - EIO Init
ESTART: 0.15024 [0.10389] - EIO Init Done
ESTART: 0.15035 [0.00011] - Ecore Event Handlers
ESTART: 0.15037 [0.2] - Ecore Event Handlers Done
ESTART: 0.15039 [0.1] - Ecore_File Init
ESTART: 0.15040 [0.1] - Ecore_File Init Done
ESTART: 0.15041 [0.1] - Ecore_Con Init
ESTART: 0.15042 [0.1] - Ecore_Con Init Done
ESTART: 0.15044 [0.1] - Ecore_Ipc Init
ESTART: 0.15045 [0.1] - Ecore_Ipc Init Done
ESTART: 0.15055 [0.00010] - Ecore_Evas Init
ESTART: 0.15157 [0.00102] - Ecore_Evas Init Done
ESTART: 0.15167 [0.00010] - Elementary Init
ESTART: 0.22038 [0.06871] - Elementary Init Done
ESTART: 0.22049 [0.00011] - Emotion Init
ESTART: 0.22106 [0.00056] - Emotion Init Done
ESTART: 0.22117 [0.00012] - Ecore_Evas Engine Check
ESTART: 0.22135 [0.00017] - Ecore_Evas Engine Check Done
ESTART: 0.22137 [0.3] - E Intl Init
ESTART: 0.22147 [0.00010] - E Intl Init Done
ESTART: 0.22149 [0.2] - E_Alert Init
ESTART: 0.22150 [0.1] - E_Alert Init Done
ESTART: 0.22152 [0.1] - E Directories Init
ESTART: 0.22169 [0.00017] - E Directories Init Done
ESTART: 0.22172 [0.3] - E_Filereg Init
ESTART: 0.22176 [0.4] - E_Filereg Init Done
ESTART: 0.22177 [0.1] - E_Config Init
ESTART: 0.22439 [0.00262] - E_Config Init Done
ESTART: 0.22451 [0.00012] - E_Env Init
ESTART: 0.22452 [0.2] - E_Env Init Done
ESTART: 0.22456 [0.4] - E Paths Init
ESTART: 0.22467 [0.00011] - E Paths Init Done
ESTART: 0.22469 [0.2] - E_Ipc Init
ESTART: 0.22505 [0.00036] - E_Ipc Init Done
ESTART: 0.22513 [0.8] - E_Font Init
ESTART: 0.22532 [0.00019] - E_Font Init Done
ESTART: 0.22537 [0.5] - E_Font Apply
ESTART: 0.22539 [0.2] - E_Font Apply Done
ESTART: 0.22540 [0.1] - E_Theme Init
ESTART: 0.22548 [0.8] - E_Theme Init Done
ESTART: 0.22550 [0.2] - E_Moveresize Init
ESTART: 0.22554 [0.3] - E_Moveresize Init Done
ESTART: 0.22555 [0.1] - E_Msgbus Init
ESTART: 0.23040 [0.00485] - E_Msgbus Init Done
ESTART: 0.23051 [0.00011] - Efreet Init
ESTART: 0.23053 [0.1] - Efreet Init Done
ESTART: 0.23054 [0.1] - E_Intl Post Init
ESTART: 0,24106 [0,01052] - E_Intl Post Init Done
ESTART: 0,24117 [0,00011] - E_Configure Init
ESTART: 0,24194 [0,00078] - E_Configure Init Done
ESTART: 0,24206 [0,00012] - E_Actions Init
ESTART: 0,24304 [0,00098] - E_Actions Init Done
ESTART: 0,24319 [0,00015] - E_Powersave Init
ESTART: 0,24322 [0,3] - E_Powersave Init Done
ESTART: 0,24323 [0,1] - E_Screensaver Init
ESTART: 0,24326 [0,2] - E_Screensaver Init Done
ESTART: 0,24327 [0,1] - Screens Init
ESTART: 0,24328 [0,1] - screens: client
ESTART: 0,24330 [0,2] - screens: win
ESTART: 0,24336 [0,6] - Compositor Init
 Enlightenment Error 
Enlightenment ne parvient pas à initialiser Ecore_X !

 Enlightenment Error 
Enlightenment cannot create a compositor.

E: Begin Shutdown Procedure!
E - PID=880, valgrind=0


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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-03 Thread maderios
On 02/03/2017 08:22 PM, christopher barry wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 18:05:35 +0100
> Pierre Couderc  wrote:
>> ...how to start it ?
>>
> If you come up to a console, pretty sure you can run
> enlightenment_start to fire it all up.
>
In your /home/user
1) create '.xsession' file, make it executable, edit it like:

#!/bin/sh
exec enlightenment_start

2) in /home/user create symlink '.xinitrc' which points to '.xession'
3) install 'xinit' deb package
4) in a console launch 'startx'

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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-03 Thread christopher barry
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 18:05:35 +0100
Pierre Couderc  wrote:

> I have installed witohut problem, stretch and
> 
> apt-get install -t experimental enlightenment
> 
> BUT I don not know...
> 
> ...how to start it ?
> 
> 

If you use a display manager, e.g. lightdm, gdm, xdm, etc, there is
often a drop-down selector on the login page for the session, be it
gnome or enlightenment, etc.

If you come up to a console, pretty sure you can run
enlightenment_start to fire it all up.


HTH
-C


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[e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

2017-02-03 Thread Pierre Couderc
I have installed witohut problem, stretch and

apt-get install -t experimental enlightenment

BUT I don not know...

...how to start it ?



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