Re: Upcoming UI changes
Feel free to propose patches for moving menu items around; I think it'd be OK to have more stuff in the window menu. On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 02:14 +0800, 藍挺瑋 wrote: > I am not sure why it had to flicker between the title box and the > entry. If the reason was that we could not know the title immediately > after it starts loading, can we show only the URL when the title is > not > available like what Evince does when opening a PDF file without > title, > and switch back to title and URL once the title is loaded? It looks bad when the title is missing; someone would have to make it look good. Switching back to location entry mode was the best we came up with in two years of using the title box. I'm not saying that we can't bring back the title box, just that I personally don't know how to make it work well and look good at the same time. Willing to consider patches here too. Michael ___ epiphany-list mailing list epiphany-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/epiphany-list
Re: Upcoming UI changes
於 週二，2016-10-11 於 08:57 -0500，Michael Catanzaro 提到： > Hi, > > On Tue, 2016-10-11 at 18:43 +0800, 藍挺瑋 wrote: > > > > I think it is bad to show only the domain. > > OK, enough people have complained about this aspect of the mockup > that > I have no plans to implement it. > > > > > Is it possible to keep the web page title shown in the header bar? > > Most > > desktop browsers show the title at the top of the window or using > > it > > as > > the window title. It will be nice if Epiphany can keep this feature > > because the URL is not always readable or useful. > > I don't think so, there's not really any room for page title anymore. > Where would it go? Are page titles really important? I don't miss it > at > all. I still like the old title box that packs the title and the URL in the header bar because the URL usually provides less information to users than the web page title. The old title box design is consistent with other applications such as Evince and Gedit. I am not sure why it had to flicker between the title box and the entry. If the reason was that we could not know the title immediately after it starts loading, can we show only the URL when the title is not available like what Evince does when opening a PDF file without title, and switch back to title and URL once the title is loaded? > > > > > Moving important functions such as viewing page source to the > > context > > menu doesn't look good to me. > > Funny story: when I started using Epiphany, I thought this feature > did > not exist, because other browsers have it in their context menus and > I > did not think to check the window menu! > > But yeah, we can definitely rethink how options are scattered between > the context menu and the hamburger menu. So it seems it is better to keep some functions in both menus as long as it doesn't make menus become too long. > > > > > Some web pages disable the context menu > > or replacing the context menu with their own menus. If we don't > > keep> these functions in the hamburger menu, they becomes > > inaccessible to> users unless there are keyboard shortcuts bound to > > them, users > > > > > > remember> shortcuts, and web pages don't disable shortcuts. > > On the rare sites that do override the context menu, you can always > get > the Epiphany context menu with a second right-click (sans bugs) so > nothing should ever become inaccessible. Thanks for the tip. I didn't know double right-click can do this. However, it didn't always work for me. I tested it with Google Document (https://docs.google.com/document/d/) and Google Drive (https:/ /drive.google.com). It worked with the former but not with the latter. Even if double right-click works without problem, I think it is hardly discoverable by most users. > > > > > I even think we can > > move 'Inspect Element' to the hamburger menu, so using the > > inspector > > on > > web pages with context menu disabled can be easier. > > Inspect Element can't move because it depends on the element > selected, > right? We could add a generic 'open inspector' menu item though. I forgot that it is possible to move focus to selected things in the inspector with right-click on the page. Yes, I mean 'Open Inspector' here. ___ epiphany-list mailing list epiphany-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/epiphany-list
Re: Upcoming UI changes
El mar, 11-10-2016 a las 11:06 -0500, Michael Catanzaro escribió: > On Tue, 2016-10-11 at 17:21 +0200, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote: > > > > I think they are important and I missed them a lot when we moved to > > use > > a header bar with the location entry only. And enough people > > complained > > at that time about it too. > > I don't see where we can put it. :( > > We do still change the window title, so it's visible in the shell > overview, but the window title is no longer visible anywhere in the > window itself. I don't see how to fix it without bringing back the > title box. Keeping the title box but making it discoverable, as already suggested in this list. > Michael > -- Carlos Garcia Campos http://pgp.rediris.es:11371/pks/lookup?op=get=0xF3D322D0EC4582C3 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ epiphany-list mailing list epiphany-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/epiphany-list
Re: Upcoming UI changes
On Tue, 2016-10-11 at 17:21 +0200, Carlos Garcia Campos wrote: > I think they are important and I missed them a lot when we moved to > use > a header bar with the location entry only. And enough people > complained > at that time about it too. I don't see where we can put it. :( We do still change the window title, so it's visible in the shell overview, but the window title is no longer visible anywhere in the window itself. I don't see how to fix it without bringing back the title box. Michael ___ epiphany-list mailing list epiphany-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/epiphany-list
Re: Upcoming UI changes
El mar, 11-10-2016 a las 08:57 -0500, Michael Catanzaro escribió: > Hi, > > On Tue, 2016-10-11 at 18:43 +0800, 藍挺瑋 wrote: > > > > I think it is bad to show only the domain. > > OK, enough people have complained about this aspect of the mockup > that > I have no plans to implement it. > > > > > Is it possible to keep the web page title shown in the header bar? > > Most > > desktop browsers show the title at the top of the window or using > > it > > as > > the window title. It will be nice if Epiphany can keep this feature > > because the URL is not always readable or useful. > > I don't think so, there's not really any room for page title anymore. > Where would it go? Are page titles really important? I don't miss it > at > all. I think they are important and I missed them a lot when we moved to use a header bar with the location entry only. And enough people complained at that time about it too. > > > > Moving important functions such as viewing page source to the > > context > > menu doesn't look good to me. > > Funny story: when I started using Epiphany, I thought this feature > did > not exist, because other browsers have it in their context menus and > I > did not think to check the window menu! > > But yeah, we can definitely rethink how options are scattered between > the context menu and the hamburger menu. > > > > > Some web pages disable the context menu > > or replacing the context menu with their own menus. If we don't > > keep> these functions in the hamburger menu, they becomes > > inaccessible to> users unless there are keyboard shortcuts bound to > > them, users > > > > > > remember> shortcuts, and web pages don't disable shortcuts. > > On the rare sites that do override the context menu, you can always > get > the Epiphany context menu with a second right-click (sans bugs) so > nothing should ever become inaccessible. > > > > > I even think we can > > move 'Inspect Element' to the hamburger menu, so using the > > inspector > > on > > web pages with context menu disabled can be easier. > > Inspect Element can't move because it depends on the element > selected, > right? We could add a generic 'open inspector' menu item though. > > Michael > ___ > epiphany-list mailing list > epiphany-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/epiphany-list -- Carlos Garcia Campos http://pgp.rediris.es:11371/pks/lookup?op=get=0xF3D322D0EC4582C3 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ epiphany-list mailing list epiphany-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/epiphany-list
Re: Upcoming UI changes
Hi, On Tue, 2016-10-11 at 18:43 +0800, 藍挺瑋 wrote: > I think it is bad to show only the domain. OK, enough people have complained about this aspect of the mockup that I have no plans to implement it. > Is it possible to keep the web page title shown in the header bar? > Most > desktop browsers show the title at the top of the window or using it > as > the window title. It will be nice if Epiphany can keep this feature > because the URL is not always readable or useful. I don't think so, there's not really any room for page title anymore. Where would it go? Are page titles really important? I don't miss it at all. > Moving important functions such as viewing page source to the context > menu doesn't look good to me. Funny story: when I started using Epiphany, I thought this feature did not exist, because other browsers have it in their context menus and I did not think to check the window menu! But yeah, we can definitely rethink how options are scattered between the context menu and the hamburger menu. > Some web pages disable the context menu > or replacing the context menu with their own menus. If we don't > keep> these functions in the hamburger menu, they becomes > inaccessible to> users unless there are keyboard shortcuts bound to > them, users > > remember> shortcuts, and web pages don't disable shortcuts. On the rare sites that do override the context menu, you can always get the Epiphany context menu with a second right-click (sans bugs) so nothing should ever become inaccessible. > I even think we can > move 'Inspect Element' to the hamburger menu, so using the inspector > on > web pages with context menu disabled can be easier. Inspect Element can't move because it depends on the element selected, right? We could add a generic 'open inspector' menu item though. Michael ___ epiphany-list mailing list epiphany-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/epiphany-list
