Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-06 Thread Brendan Eich
You are a gmail user, I surmise. So are others. Gmail collapses cited text, so you don't trim it. Those of us using other mail user agents then have to wade through *pages* of cited text to find your replies, which generally only apply to the last paragraph or two of the cited text. Any

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-06 Thread John J Barton
repeated with less quotation On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:18 PM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-06 Thread John J Barton
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Brendan Eich bren...@mozilla.com wrote: You are a gmail user, I surmise. So are others. Gmail collapses cited text, so you don't trim it. Those of us using other mail user agents then have to wade through *pages* of cited text to find your replies, which

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread John J Barton
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Mike Samuel mikesam...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/4 Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Mike Samuel mikesam...@gmail.com wrote: No it doesn't. Just walk the object graph starting from the root object and let the

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread Russell Leggett
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Mike Samuel mikesam...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/4 Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Mike Samuel mikesam...@gmail.com wrote: No

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread John J Barton
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Mike Samuel mikesam...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/4 Russell Leggett

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread Russell Leggett
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:52 AM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Mike

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
Here again I am not sure how we ended up with this conversation but you can find a function able to extract properties and methods out of a generic object: https://gist.github.com/1264775 It works with jQuery too, as well as arrays, etc etc Regards, Andrea Giammarchi

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread John J Barton
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:52 AM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:32 AM, John

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread Russell Leggett
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Andrea Giammarchi andrea.giammar...@gmail.com wrote: Here again I am not sure how we ended up with this conversation but you can find a function able to extract properties and methods out of a generic object: https://gist.github.com/1264775 It works with

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread John J Barton
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Andrea Giammarchi andrea.giammar...@gmail.com wrote: Here again I am not sure how we ended up with this conversation but you can find a function able to extract properties and

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
with such dynamic language I would never trust much AST This is for realtime, inline, methods and properties suggestion and it's kinda fast as macro/inspector I don't know where the thread is going either :-) On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.comwrote: On

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread Russell Leggett
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:49 AM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:52 AM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Russell

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread Russell Leggett
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Andrea Giammarchi andrea.giammar...@gmail.com wrote: with such dynamic language I would never trust much AST This is for realtime, inline, methods and properties suggestion and it's kinda fast as macro/inspector I don't know where the thread is going either :-)

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
Sorry Russ, I am not sure I got it On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Andrea Giammarchi andrea.giammar...@gmail.com wrote: with such dynamic language I would never trust much AST This is for realtime, inline,

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread John J Barton
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:49 AM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:52 AM, John

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread Russell Leggett
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:18 PM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:49 AM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Russell

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-05 Thread John J Barton
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:18 PM, John J Barton johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:49 AM, John J

On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-04 Thread David Bruant
Le 03/10/2011 22:49, Andrea Giammarchi a écrit : Dear All, while I had the opportunity to ask directly to Brendan Eich this question, I would like to ask you 5 minutes of your precious time to understand common concerns from the JS community, summarized under my point of view in this

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-04 Thread Andrea Giammarchi
David, as I have tweeted before, syntax is a non problem, surely is not a problem *now* because you already have alternatives such CoffeeScript, GWT, Traceeur or any sort of transpiler you want ... do all these new syntax bring real benefits to JavaScript ? I am not sure, I never needed new

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-04 Thread Mike Samuel
2011/10/4 David Bruant david.bru...@labri.fr: Le 03/10/2011 22:49, Andrea Giammarchi a écrit : Dear All,    while I had the opportunity to ask directly to Brendan Eich this question, I would like to ask you 5 minutes of your precious time to understand common concerns from the JS community,

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-04 Thread Russell Leggett
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Mike Samuel mikesam...@gmail.com wrote: No it doesn't. Just walk the object graph starting from the root object and let the set of all reachable symbols be A. Load jQuery Walk the object graph again letting the set of all reachable symbols be B. The public

Re: On I got 99 problems and JavaScript syntax ain't one (was: On Incremental Updates)

2011-10-04 Thread Mike Samuel
2011/10/4 Russell Leggett russell.legg...@gmail.com: On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Mike Samuel mikesam...@gmail.com wrote: No it doesn't. Just walk the object graph starting from the root object and let the set of all reachable symbols be A. Load jQuery Walk the object graph again