[eug-lug]Compromised? Intruder??

2003-12-10 Thread Woody Mims
Hi all --

Working on configuring a home Samba Server, I did a netstat -a. One line 
came up that I hadn't ever seen before:

Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State

udp00  localhost:blackjack 
localhost:blackjack ESTABLISHED

I never have used a machine name 'blackjack' and checked my hosts file. 
The 'blackjack' is not there.

Have I been penetrated by a trojan or other malware? Has anyone run up 
against this kind of attack (if that's what it is)?
If not an attack or penetration, what program could have set this host 
equivalency?

I'm running Slackware 9.1 (2.4.23 and Samba 2.2.8a)

Thanks for any info
Woody
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Re: [eug-lug]Compromised? Intruder??

2003-12-10 Thread Larry Price
what does netstat -an show you?

it looks like blackjack may be a protocol name

look in /etc/services or /etc/inetd.conf to see if you have a blackjack 
server running

(your output shows your machine talking to itself and not having sent 
or received anything)

On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 12:49  AM, Woody Mims wrote:

Hi all --

Working on configuring a home Samba Server, I did a netstat -a. One 
line came up that I hadn't ever seen before:

Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address 
State

udp00  localhost:blackjack 
localhost:blackjack ESTABLISHED

I never have used a machine name 'blackjack' and checked my hosts 
file. The 'blackjack' is not there.

Have I been penetrated by a trojan or other malware? Has anyone run up 
against this kind of attack (if that's what it is)?
If not an attack or penetration, what program could have set this host 
equivalency?

I'm running Slackware 9.1 (2.4.23 and Samba 2.2.8a)

Thanks for any info
Woody
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Re: [eug-lug]Compromised? Intruder??

2003-12-10 Thread Bob Miller
Woody Mims wrote:

 Hi all --
 
 Working on configuring a home Samba Server, I did a netstat -a. One line 
 came up that I hadn't ever seen before:
 
 
 Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State
 
 udp00  localhost:blackjack 
 localhost:blackjack ESTABLISHED
 
 I never have used a machine name 'blackjack' and checked my hosts file. 
 The 'blackjack' is not there.

blackjack is the name of a service, not a host.  Services are defined
in /etc/services.  Blackjack is UDP port 1025.  The IANA allocated
that number to some game company's blackjack server, but you're
probably seeing something else.

I refer you to these archived messages for more info...

http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/incidents/2000-09/0054.html
http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/incidents/2000-09/0059.html
http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/incidents/2000-09/0090.html


 Have I been penetrated by a trojan or other malware?

I don't think so.

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[eug-lug] How do I change the default web browser for Evolution and other GNOME applications?

2003-12-10 Thread Dirk Ouellette
I've done the following in my RH 9 machine to handle URL's from
Evolution, but have no results;

  To set your default browser in Ximian Desktop 2: 
 1. Open the Settings window by selecting System - Personal
Settings from your menu panel. 
 2. Double-click the File Associations icon in the System
category. 
 3. Scroll to the bottom of the list, and expand the Internet
Services item. 
 4. Select Unknown service types and click the Edit button. 
 5. Select your preferred browser from the list, or if it is not
available, select Custom and enter the one you wish to use in
the text box below.
To set your default browser in Ximian GNOME 1.4: 
 1. Open the Control Center 
 2. Click on Default Applications 
 3. Click on Web Browser tab 
 4. Enter the command for the broswer you wish to use
To set the default browser for GNOME applications in KDE: 
 1. Open a terminal window 
 2. Type the command
$ gnome-default-applications-properties
 3. Select your preferred browser from the list, or if it is not
available, select Custom and enter the one you wish to use in
the text box below. 
 4. Click on Close
If you enter the command, you may need to follow it with %s (including
the quotation marks), to include the link and not merely launch an empty
browser window when you click a link.


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Re: [eug-lug]SMT soldering

2003-12-10 Thread Jamie
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 03:45 am, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
: Does anyone here do surface mount soldering or know anyone who does?  I'm
: considering a memory upgrade for my TiVo.  It comes with only 16 megs and
: adding another 16 involves adding two SMT chips and reconfiguring the
: device to use them.  I'm told it can be done without special tools if you
: have a low-powered iron, tiny solder, liquid flux, etc, but the other
: prerequisites are sharp eyes (or good optics) and a steady hand.  I lack
: these.  ;)
I do, but Im not there right now :( 
As far as what they say, Id say they have things backwards. You almost never 
want a low power iron, you want a hot iron (but a very fine tip (and one with 
aa slight flat surface works best). You gotta be good, and work fast. 
Ive done a lot of repair from people that were not good.. it really sucks, do 
it right, do it fast, and dont burn it. 
A low watt iron gets everything hot before it melts the solder, and riskes 
damage, a hot iron gets just the specific area hot, but risks burning (if 
your not fast), and thermoshock. 
Is it adding chips to empty locations? or is it piggybacking chips?
What is the lead/land size? 
Pretty much all flux is liquid (unless your sweatting pipes, or doing stained 
glass. Fluxes come in 2 catagories, waterbased and resin based. resin based 
were phased out over 10 years ago because cleaning required solvents (we used 
a lot of freon(sp?) back in the day... I did some testing and found that dawn 
dishwashing liquid was about the best for stuff you could find around the 
house (dont laugh, it really works!) The idea behind flux is to remove 
oxides. Most of the solder  you find will be resin core solder, and requires 
solvents to clean (alcohol works, burned flux may need a little help with an 
acid brush...), really burned flux may require an orange stick (or tooth 
pick...)
ESD/EOS is a big consideration too... gotta be safe and not volt your 
circuitry, or you will end up with dead tivo (or worse... psycho-tivo!)

Soldering really isnt that hard to do... Ive worked with a lot of people that 
can do it in their sleep... but there are a lot of people that say they can, 
but dont really know what they are doing... The only think I can suggest, is 
watch them work on stuff before you let them loose on your tivo!

: Another option, apparently, is a new device that takes a PC133 512M DIMM
: and read-caches the entire database in RAM.  That alone would probably be
: a decent speed boost, but it's a more expensive upgrade and would only
: affect the database.

uhh pc133 ram is fairly cheap... check ebay, you may find one for $20...
(prolly spend more like $50...)

:
:
: (For anyone wondering, I did attempt to find out and as far as I know,
: nobody has tried to overclock the 50MHz series 1 TiVo..)
hmmm... seems to me that if your CPU is 50 mhz, then why do you need pc-133 
ram? isnt pc-133 for 133mhz bus? how do you get a 133mhz bus on a 50mhz cpu?
Is that a motorola chip?

Jamie
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Re: [eug-lug]journaling filesystems

2003-12-10 Thread Rob Hudson
Thank you all for the replies.

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Re: [eug-lug]Compromised? Intruder??

2003-12-10 Thread Cory Petkovsek
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 12:49:07AM -0800, Woody Mims wrote:
 Hi all --
 
 Working on configuring a home Samba Server, I did a netstat -a. One line 
 came up that I hadn't ever seen before:
 
 
 Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address   Foreign Address State
 
 udp00  localhost:blackjack 
 localhost:blackjack ESTABLISHED
As others have noted, your local address is localhost:blackjack and
foreign address is localhost:blackjack.  This means a connection from
127.0.0.1 port 1025 to the same.
Run this to figure out what pid is making that connection:
lsof|grep 1025

Also if blackjack was a computer name, ie it said for a foreign address:
blackjack:389, This would mean that this host resolved the connecting
address to the hostname `blackjack'.  This would also mean the dns or
hosts file has the connecting ip address listed with the computer name
in the same domain as the current machine.  Otherwise you would see a
fully qualified domain name or an ip address: blackjack.cracker.it:389
or 12.12.12.12:389

Cory

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[eug-lug]Wanted

2003-12-10 Thread Rob Hudson
I'm looking for a 1GHz or higher (not too much higher) CPU + motherboard
if anyone has one they'd like to sell.  Let me know, please.

Thanks,
Rob
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Re: [eug-lug]Wanted

2003-12-10 Thread jgw
You probably already know this, but I'd just pick something up at
newegg.com. An Athlon 1.3ghz chip runs about $40. An Athlon XP 1.5ghz runs
about $49. A motherboard for either chip probably isn't much more.

/jgw


 I'm looking for a 1GHz or higher (not too much higher) CPU + motherboard
 if anyone has one they'd like to sell.  Let me know, please.

 Thanks,
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Re: [eug-lug]Useful resource for newbies and non-technical people

2003-12-10 Thread Cory Petkovsek
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 10:22:22PM -0800, Larry Price wrote:
 http://microsoft.toddverbeek.com/
 
 Just say NO
 
 goes into detail about why and has a fairly agnostic approach to 
 recommending alternative products...

And, here is a growing list of equivalent products.  Apparently the guy
continues to receive information and corrections and has started to put
the information into a database for easier access in the future:
http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/

e.g.
Programs for CD burning with GUI
Windows: 
Nero, Roxio Easy CD Creator, ...
Linux: 
1) K3b. (KDE)
2) XCDRoast.
3) KOnCd.
4) Eclipt Roaster.
5) Gnome Toaster.
6) CD Bake Oven.
7) KreateCD.
8) SimpleCDR-X.
9) GCombust.
10) WebCDWriter. (CD burn server, usable from any remote browser with
Java support)
11) CDR Toaster.
12) Arson.
13) CD-Me (Creation of audio-CD).

Text to speech  
Windows:
MS text to speech   
Linux:
1) KDE Voice Plugins.
2) Festival.
3) Emacspeak.
4) VoiceText.

Cory

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Re: [eug-lug]Wanted

2003-12-10 Thread Rob Hudson
I thought it would be more, but you're right... I can get a lower end
Athlon with motherboard and memory for about $150 at mwave.com.

Thanks,
Rob

On 20031210.1117, jgw said ...

 You probably already know this, but I'd just pick something up at
 newegg.com. An Athlon 1.3ghz chip runs about $40. An Athlon XP 1.5ghz runs
 about $49. A motherboard for either chip probably isn't much more.
 
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Re: [eug-lug]Useful resource for newbies and non-technical people

2003-12-10 Thread Bob Miller
Cory Petkovsek wrote:

 e.g.
 Programs for CD burning with GUI
 Windows: 
 Nero, Roxio Easy CD Creator, ...
 Linux: 
 1) K3b. (KDE)
 2) XCDRoast.
 3) KOnCd.
 4) Eclipt Roaster.
 5) Gnome Toaster.
 6) CD Bake Oven.
 7) KreateCD.
 8) SimpleCDR-X.
 9) GCombust.
 10) WebCDWriter. (CD burn server, usable from any remote browser with
   Java support)
 11) CDR Toaster.
 12) Arson.
 13) CD-Me (Creation of audio-CD).

That's a problem too.  Who, aside from us geeks, wants to try THIRTEEN
different CD burning programs and see which ones (a) are installed,
(b) can be installed, (c) run, (d) don't crash, (e) make CDs that
work, and (d) are most usable?

That particular itch has been scratched too much.  The skin is all
gone, and we're scratching into the bloody muscle tissue.

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Re: [eug-lug]Useful resource for newbies and non-technical people

2003-12-10 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 01:31:03PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:
 Cory Petkovsek wrote:
 
  e.g.
  Programs for CD burning with GUI
  Windows: 
  Nero, Roxio Easy CD Creator, ...
  Linux: 
  1) K3b. (KDE)
  2) XCDRoast.
  3) KOnCd.
  4) Eclipt Roaster.
  5) Gnome Toaster.
  6) CD Bake Oven.
  7) KreateCD.
  8) SimpleCDR-X.
  9) GCombust.
  10) WebCDWriter. (CD burn server, usable from any remote browser with
  Java support)
  11) CDR Toaster.
  12) Arson.
  13) CD-Me (Creation of audio-CD).
 
 That's a problem too.  Who, aside from us geeks, wants to try THIRTEEN
 different CD burning programs and see which ones
 (a) are installed, (b) can be installed,

Most of this would be distro specific and simplified by an icon in a WM
tray or what have you.

 (c) run, (d) don't crash, (e) make CDs that
 work

Well, distributors probably shouldn't redistribute bad software, and
could have a default meta package, like 'apt-get gui-cd-burner'.

and (d) are most usable?

That's probably why there are so many choices ;)

 That particular itch has been scratched too much.  The skin is all
 gone, and we're scratching into the bloody muscle tissue.

I worked on a gui cd burner for a while that isn't even on thta list.

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[eug-lug]Miserable Failure

2003-12-10 Thread Bob Miller
For a good time...

1. Go to Google.  http://www.google.com/
2. Enter two words: miserable failure
3. Click I'm Feeling Lucky

Sorry if you've already seen it...

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Re: [eug-lug]Miserable Failure

2003-12-10 Thread Ralph Zeller
Don't we have an activist list for stuff like this?

On 12/10/03 02pm, Bob Miller wrote:
 For a good time...
 
 1. Go to Google.  http://www.google.com/
 2. Enter two words: miserable failure
 3. Click I'm Feeling Lucky
 
 Sorry if you've already seen it...
 
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[eug-lug]Just say no web site

2003-12-10 Thread questions
Thanks Larry Price for the heads up on this website. I want to get hip with
Linux and have no idea how to. The only computer OS I have used on a
consistent basis is Mac OS. This site is fabulously helpful in getting the
idea of what I had and did to what I can have and do.
Lorraine

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Re: [eug-lug]Miserable Failure

2003-12-10 Thread Cory Petkovsek
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:01:54PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:
 For a good time...
 
 1. Go to Google.  http://www.google.com/
 2. Enter two words: miserable failure
 3. Click I'm Feeling Lucky
 
 Sorry if you've already seen it...

Those words to not appear on the page nor in the source.  Google says
they cannot change their database records and ranking system.  This is
not cool.  I'm glad that nutch.org is well under development.

Cory

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Re: [eug-lug]Miserable Failure

2003-12-10 Thread Brad Davidson
You are correct. Have you looked at the Google cache?

http://66.102.11.104/search?q=cache:GPN6xA7xUV8J:www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html+%22miserable+failure%22hl=enie=UTF-8

At the top it says: These terms only appear in links pointing to this 
page: miserable failure

Google's search mechanisim seems to work pretty well. Say a bunch of 
people linked to a page, calling it 'a very good c++ tutorial'. However, 
the page itself does not say anything along those lines. You'd probably 
still want to find it when you searched for 'good c++ tutorial' wouldn't 
you?

I personally have no problem with Google, or their PageRank system. I 
occasionally hear some malcontents squaking about how it's unfair, how 
googlebombs shouldn't be possible, and how the 'one true search engine' 
will be open source.

I don't buy it.

Google's engine is great as a technology, and I respect their actions 
and principles as a company.

-Brad

Cory Petkovsek wrote:
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:01:54PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:

For a good time...

   1. Go to Google.  http://www.google.com/
   2. Enter two words: miserable failure
   3. Click I'm Feeling Lucky
Sorry if you've already seen it...


Those words to not appear on the page nor in the source.  Google says
they cannot change their database records and ranking system.  This is
not cool.  I'm glad that nutch.org is well under development.
Cory



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Re: [eug-lug]Miserable Failure

2003-12-10 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:40:52PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:01:54PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:
  For a good time...
  
  1. Go to Google.  http://www.google.com/
  2. Enter two words: miserable failure
  3. Click I'm Feeling Lucky
  
  Sorry if you've already seen it...
 
 Those words to not appear on the page nor in the source.  Google says
 they cannot change their database records and ranking system.  This is
 not cool.

What's not cool about majority opinion ... especially of those who
understand how to exploit information finding software for fun?

 I'm glad that nutch.org is well under development.

I don't see how this would change things, unless they decide not
to use linking from relevant sites as a factor of relevance, which is,
IMO, why google is so useful.

There are some ethics questions around making certain exceptions for
certain people.

The Bush IT staff could make their own 'miserable failure' come out on
top.  It's a fair game.  Dirty, but fair.

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Re: [eug-lug]Miserable Failure

2003-12-10 Thread Larry Price
On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 02:40  PM, Cory Petkovsek wrote:

Those words to not appear on the page nor in the source.  Google says
they cannot change their database records and ranking system.  This is
not cool.  I'm glad that nutch.org is well under development.
It's the result of a googlebomb, a bunch of bloggers latched on to the 
idea
and because GW is rather unpopular with a lot of people it's been 
picked up by
a lot of people.

It's not google's fault that the web is filled with links like

lt;A href=http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html; gt; 
Miserable Failurelt;A/gt;

in this case google is accurate in the sense that GW is the most target 
of links referring to miserable failure;  whether it's being accurate 
in the larger sense is going to depend on your bias.

spamdexing is a big problem for any public search engine, and that 
google has been
so good for as long as it has been gave many people a false sense of 
security.

If you want to see someone who's really torqued at google; visit
http://www.scroogle.org/
and find out just how unhappy people can be when google doesn't behave 
the way they expect it too.

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Re: [eug-lug]Miserable Failure

2003-12-10 Thread Ironmike


On 10 Dec 2003 at 14:40, Cory Petkovsek wrote:

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:01:54PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:
 For a good time...
 
 1. Go to Google.  http://www.google.com/
 2. Enter two words: miserable failure
 3. Click I'm Feeling Lucky
 
 Sorry if you've already seen it...

1. Go to Google.  http://www.google.com/
2. Enter the words: weapons of mass destruction
3. Click I'm Feeling Lucky

A bit more appropo to this group i think ;)

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Re: [eug-lug]Wanted

2003-12-10 Thread T. Joseph Carter
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:36:10AM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote:
 I thought it would be more, but you're right... I can get a lower end
 Athlon with motherboard and memory for about $150 at mwave.com.

mwave warning, they have been caught at times selling refurb goods without
marking them as such.  I landed one such component - an IBM hard drive.
Who in their right mind would buy a refurbished hard drive, especially
given that some models of IBM hard drives were at the time known to be
flakier than most pastries.

The price was a great deal, but not that great that it should have been a
refurbished part with only a 30 day warranty (discovered 6 months later!)

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Re: [eug-lug]SMT soldering

2003-12-10 Thread T. Joseph Carter
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:43:47AM -0500, Jamie wrote:
 I do, but Im not there right now :(

Well, I was kinda trying to avoid sending it somewhere..

 As far as what they say, Id say they have things backwards. You almost never 
 want a low power iron, you want a hot iron (but a very fine tip (and one with 
 aa slight flat surface works best). You gotta be good, and work fast. 
 Ive done a lot of repair from people that were not good.. it really sucks, do 
 it right, do it fast, and dont burn it.

They suggest tinning the tip and just using it to press the lead in place.
That's all it takes for the tiny leads..


   A low watt iron gets everything hot before it melts the solder, and riskes 
 damage, a hot iron gets just the specific area hot, but risks burning (if 
 your not fast), and thermoshock. 
 Is it adding chips to empty locations? or is it piggybacking chips?
 What is the lead/land size?

Empty spaces on the board next to the existing memory.  Here's the link to
the upgrade for my model, including a reprint of the soldering
instructions which appear on the forum:

http://www.9thtee.com/tivomemory.htm


   Pretty much all flux is liquid (unless your sweatting pipes, or doing stained 
 glass. Fluxes come in 2 catagories, waterbased and resin based. resin based 
 were phased out over 10 years ago because cleaning required solvents (we used 
 a lot of freon(sp?) back in the day... I did some testing and found that dawn 
 dishwashing liquid was about the best for stuff you could find around the 
 house (dont laugh, it really works!) The idea behind flux is to remove 
 oxides. Most of the solder  you find will be resin core solder, and requires 
 solvents to clean (alcohol works, burned flux may need a little help with an 
 acid brush...), really burned flux may require an orange stick (or tooth 
 pick...)

I believe it is still common to see solder use resin core, but a liquid
flux is recommended for this rather tan relying on the stuff in the
solder.


 ESD/EOS is a big consideration too... gotta be safe and not volt your 
 circuitry, or you will end up with dead tivo (or worse... psycho-tivo!)

Yeah, I'm a bit concerned that they don't talk about this.  DRAM is
notably picky about ESD.


 Soldering really isnt that hard to do... Ive worked with a lot of people that 
 can do it in their sleep... but there are a lot of people that say they can, 
 but dont really know what they are doing... The only think I can suggest, is 
 watch them work on stuff before you let them loose on your tivo!

It was mainly something I was considering doing if I am going to add more
space to the thing, which is something I'm planning to do actually.


 : Another option, apparently, is a new device that takes a PC133 512M DIMM
 : and read-caches the entire database in RAM.  That alone would probably be
 : a decent speed boost, but it's a more expensive upgrade and would only
 : affect the database.
 
 uhh pc133 ram is fairly cheap... check ebay, you may find one for $20...
 (prolly spend more like $50...)

True enough, but the upgrade card is not.  ;)

 :
 :
 : (For anyone wondering, I did attempt to find out and as far as I know,
 : nobody has tried to overclock the 50MHz series 1 TiVo..)
 hmmm... seems to me that if your CPU is 50 mhz, then why do you need pc-133 
 ram? isnt pc-133 for 133mhz bus? how do you get a 133mhz bus on a 50mhz cpu?

I suspect that any DIMM I could find would work, including PC66 and
slower.  The bus is 25MHz after all.  I think they're just assuming that
at this point it's pretty much all PC133 for SDR memory and that anyone
who would know differently knows what they can use.

 Is that a motorola chip?

The series 1 is, yes.  Series 2 machines are ARM chips, 4x the speed, and
twice the memory (isn't that right Bob?)  The Series 2 machines are not
very hackable since the ROM verifies that the ramdisk is signed by TiVo
before it runs anything and the ramdisk replaces any modified boot files
with fresh copies.

If you defeat the ROM (that is, dump it, modify it, make a new ROM chip,
amd replace the existing ROM on the TiVo which is a SMT chip), you can
then modify your ramdisk not to blow away your changes.  Once your changes
are not blown away, you can tweak your TiVo to your heart's content, until
a new software upgrade replaces the ramdisk with one that blows away your
changes and hopefully doesn't turn your TiVo into a brick when a ROM
verification fails, leaving you without a TiVo till you pop the cover, put
the drive in your PC, boot a custom Linux dist, and tweak everything until
it works again..

Needless to say, despite how slow they are, we rather like series 1 TiVo.
You can open it up and add a network card (series 2 boxes have USB ports
for this purpose) and stream data right off your TiVo (pay extra to do
this on a series 2 box), even copy shows from one TiVo to another (not
possible with series 2) or extract video across the network, strip out the
commercials using video 

Re: [eug-lug]Miserable Failure

2003-12-10 Thread john fleming
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:19:38 -0800, Larry Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 02:40  PM, Cory Petkovsek wrote:

Those words to not appear on the page nor in the source.  Google says
they cannot change their database records and ranking system.  This is
not cool.  I'm glad that nutch.org is well under development.
It's the result of a googlebomb, a bunch of bloggers latched on to the 
idea
and because GW is rather unpopular with a lot of people it's been picked 
up by
a lot of people.

 How do we know that this isn't evidence that the web has reached an AI 
saturation
point becuase of all the spider activity out there and has become not only 
sentient
and self aware but is now trying to raise the conciousness level of it's 
creators up
to the level where it can have an inteligent conversation with us and 
relieve the boredom of being a binary
creature. Huh really fadda how do we know?

 
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2003-12-10 Thread Harald Sundt
I hate to be cranky, but, guys

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Re: [eug-lug]Miserable Failure

2003-12-10 Thread Bob Miller
john fleming wrote:

  How do we know that this isn't evidence that the web has reached an
 AI saturation point becuase of all the spider activity out there and
 has become not only sentient and self aware but is now trying to
 raise the conciousness level of it's creators up to the level where
 it can have an inteligent conversation with us and relieve the
 boredom of being a binary creature. Huh really fadda how do we know?

I know you're kidding, but yes, it won't be too long until that
happens.  We *think* it didn't happen this time because we *think*
we know enough about Google's algorithms to explain how it could
have been gamed.

-- 
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Re: [eug-lug]SMT soldering

2003-12-10 Thread Jamie
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 08:20 pm, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
: On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:43:47AM -0500, Jamie wrote:
:  I do, but Im not there right now :(
:
: Well, I was kinda trying to avoid sending it somewhere..
:
:  As far as what they say, Id say they have things backwards. You almost
:  never want a low power iron, you want a hot iron (but a very fine tip
:  (and one with aa slight flat surface works best). You gotta be good, and
:  work fast. Ive done a lot of repair from people that were not good.. it
:  really sucks, do it right, do it fast, and dont burn it.
:
: They suggest tinning the tip and just using it to press the lead in place.
: That's all it takes for the tiny leads..
well... its called wetting the tip tinning is what you do to the tip whne 
your done useing it (before you turn off your iron, you clean it, and tin 
it).
when your tacking a part in place, you put the part where you want it, clean 
your iron, wet the tip, and tack the part in place by just touching the 
solder (not the iron) to the joint, and remove the iron.

then when the part is inplace how you like it, you flux it up good, clean and 
wet your tip, and run your iron along the leads while feeding solder into the 
joint the top is on.
On really small (fine pitch) leads you often dont even touch the leads (just 
the lands). I ofthen just put down a bunch of solder, and then fluxed it up 
good, and ran the iron tip on top of the lead from the component toward the 
end of the lead. this give a nice clean joint and clean space between 
leads...

:
:  A low watt iron gets everything hot before it melts the solder, and
:  riskes damage, a hot iron gets just the specific area hot, but risks
:  burning (if your not fast), and thermoshock.
:  Is it adding chips to empty locations? or is it piggybacking chips?
:  What is the lead/land size?
:
: Empty spaces on the board next to the existing memory.  Here's the link to
: the upgrade for my model, including a reprint of the soldering
: instructions which appear on the forum:
:
: http://www.9thtee.com/tivomemory.htm
thats some of the worst soldering ive seen ! (except when i was doing 
training...) I saw some stuff... some people just shouldnt be allowed to play 
with hot surfaces...
Seriously though, it looks like someone that was maybe an engineer or novice 
did the soldering. In production, solder joints should all look consistant, 
shiney, and have nice filets. (and no bridging). 

the instructions are good enough I guess... dont need any tweezers, the chip 
can easily be held in place with your finger while tacking, after tacking it 
wont move.

The more flux you use, the more you will have to clean up afterwards, but for 
soldering quality, there is no such thing as too much flux. I used to use it 
like maple syrup (we had machines to do the cleanup). even w/out the machine, 
alcohol will clean up rosin flux, an even if you have to use 1/2 a bottle of 
alcohol to clean it up, who cares?? alcohol costs like $1 a bottle (note: do 
the cleanup outside so you dont have to breath rubbing alcohol all night.)

I suspect you could do as good as the photo (might want a big magnifying glass 
in your case...)

If you use lots of flux, and use the technique i mentioned about putting the 
tip of your iron at the top of the leg, and moving it toward the end of the 
lead, and off, you will end up with nice clean solder joints, no bridging, 
and inspection will be easy.

Jamie

:
:  Pretty much all flux is liquid (unless your sweatting pipes, or doing
:  stained glass. Fluxes come in 2 catagories, waterbased and resin based.
:  resin based were phased out over 10 years ago because cleaning required
:  solvents (we used a lot of freon(sp?) back in the day... I did some
:  testing and found that dawn dishwashing liquid was about the best for
:  stuff you could find around the house (dont laugh, it really works!) The
:  idea behind flux is to remove oxides. Most of the solder  you find will
:  be resin core solder, and requires solvents to clean (alcohol works,
:  burned flux may need a little help with an acid brush...), really burned
:  flux may require an orange stick (or tooth pick...)
:
: I believe it is still common to see solder use resin core, but a liquid
: flux is recommended for this rather tan relying on the stuff in the
: solder.
:
:  ESD/EOS is a big consideration too... gotta be safe and not volt your
:  circuitry, or you will end up with dead tivo (or worse... psycho-tivo!)
:
: Yeah, I'm a bit concerned that they don't talk about this.  DRAM is
: notably picky about ESD.
:
:  Soldering really isnt that hard to do... Ive worked with a lot of people
:  that can do it in their sleep... but there are a lot of people that say
:  they can, but dont really know what they are doing... The only think I
:  can suggest, is watch them work on stuff before you let them loose on
:  your tivo!
:
: It was mainly something I was considering doing if I am going to add more
: space to 

Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M from this LIST!!!! See headers in message

2003-12-10 Thread darrenh41
Harald-

Note your personal email addy is in the CC: line so you were sent this spam directly, 
rather than receiving via the list. I haven't seen this spam show up on the list so 
the moderators are doing a good job, as usual.

Darren
 I hate to be cranky, but, guys
 
 
 See below:
 
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Re: [eug-lug]SMT soldering

2003-12-10 Thread T. Joseph Carter
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:55:30PM -0500, Jamie wrote:
 : http://www.9thtee.com/tivomemory.htm
 thats some of the worst soldering ive seen ! (except when i was doing 
 training...) I saw some stuff... some people just shouldnt be allowed to play 
 with hot surfaces...
 Seriously though, it looks like someone that was maybe an engineer or novice 
 did the soldering. In production, solder joints should all look consistant, 
 shiney, and have nice filets. (and no bridging). 

I know what good soldering looks like and wasn't even considering what the
soldering they'd done looked like.  I was thinking pasting it to give you
an idea of the size of the pins (microscopic to my eyes..)

 I suspect you could do as good as the photo (might want a big magnifying
 glass in your case...)

FWIW, I can't solder a plain DIP of the TTL variety.  I lack the steady
hands to avoid bridging in that sort of situation.

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Re: [eug-lug]Miserable Failure

2003-12-10 Thread Ben Barrett
Doesn't anyone use AskJeeves any more?
Now *there* is some real AI.

   Ben


On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:30:46 -0800
Bob Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

| john fleming wrote:
| 
|   How do we know that this isn't evidence that the web has reached an
|  AI saturation point becuase of all the spider activity out there and
|  has become not only sentient and self aware but is now trying to
|  raise the conciousness level of it's creators up to the level where
|  it can have an inteligent conversation with us and relieve the
|  boredom of being a binary creature. Huh really fadda how do we know?
| 
| I know you're kidding, but yes, it won't be too long until that
| happens.  We *think* it didn't happen this time because we *think*
| we know enough about Google's algorithms to explain how it could
| have been gamed.
| 
| -- 
| Bob Miller  Kbob
| kbobsoft software consulting
| http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [eug-lug]SMT soldering

2003-12-10 Thread Linux Rocks !
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 10:27 pm, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
: On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:55:30PM -0500, Jamie wrote:
:  : http://www.9thtee.com/tivomemory.htm
: 
:  thats some of the worst soldering ive seen ! (except when i was doing
:  training...) I saw some stuff... some people just shouldnt be allowed to
:  play with hot surfaces...
:  Seriously though, it looks like someone that was maybe an engineer or
:  novice did the soldering. In production, solder joints should all look
:  consistant, shiney, and have nice filets. (and no bridging).
:
: I know what good soldering looks like and wasn't even considering what the
: soldering they'd done looked like.  I was thinking pasting it to give you
: an idea of the size of the pins (microscopic to my eyes..)

They apear to be 15 mil, fairly big by some standards (those 3 or 5 mil bend 
real easy!) It may be a difficult task for you, but someone that does SMT 
soldering should find it pretty easy...

:
:  I suspect you could do as good as the photo (might want a big magnifying
:  glass in your case...)
:
: FWIW, I can't solder a plain DIP of the TTL variety.  I lack the steady
: hands to avoid bridging in that sort of situation.

Well... Id do it for you, but Im not there, and I dont have my tools here... 
If you want to ship it  to me, with the parts, and a soldering iron, flux, 
and solder, Ill do it.

Jamie

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Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M from this LIST!!!! See headers in message

2003-12-10 Thread Linux Rocks !
Hal,
While I sympathize with getting spam, its not going through this list. Its 
possible that your email address was harvested via the web archive, but I see 
no evidence of that. 
Look at it this way, atleast it didnt say generic (implying that your cheap, 
and impotent!).

Jamie

On Wednesday 10 December 2003 08:48 pm, Harald Sundt wrote:
: I hate to be cranky, but, guys
:
:
: See below:
:
: Excerpt One:
:
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: Reply-To: Clay Joyce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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: Subject: Your girl will love you and alpha zh xdc
: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 03 07:21:48 GMT
: X-Priority: 3
:
: Content-Type: text/html;
:
: Your girl will love you and alpha zh xdc
:
:
:
: Excerpt Two:
:
: From: Berry Oneal [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 03 14:29:56 GMT
:
:
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Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M from this LIST!!!! See headers in message

2003-12-10 Thread Mr O
I'm fairly comfortable in saying that the spam is probably being
pulled from archives or something on the net. I've seen as
significant rise in spam as my name appears more on the web. Is
there any way to reduce us all to users as opposed to full
email addresses? Just searching for something like assuredcomp
or @yahoo.com or notanatheist will find you dozens of
results. My spam levels have more than quadrupled in the last 6
months. Not entirely to blame on euglug but also on idiots
forwarding crap to me too. In the short

Would everyone agree on not having their full email disclosed
unless used in a .sig or explicitly posted withing a message?

Just my few cents..

Mr O.





--- Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hal,
   While I sympathize with getting spam, its not going through
 this list. Its 
 possible that your email address was harvested via the web
 archive, but I see 
 no evidence of that. 
   Look at it this way, atleast it didnt say generic (implying
 that your cheap, 
 and impotent!).
 
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Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...

2003-12-10 Thread Harald Sundt
...I am not certain why these things work the way they do, but if you 
say it ain't the List, then I retract my cracked and yellow parrot's 
beak of peak.

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Re: [eug-lug] I am getting SP***M - I apologize,...

2003-12-10 Thread Linux Rocks !
Hal,
If the spam you received had gone through the list, we all would have gotten 
it. I dont think that Ive seen that specific one, so I cant even say its 
anyway associated with the list.
Ironicly, the email address I usually use on this list gets less spam than 
any other email address I use! I dont really see the list, or its archives as 
beeing an issue for spam.
My EFN account gets a ton of spam however. Ive had that account since 1995, 
and the rocksolidnetworks address since 1999, so it just may be a matter of 
one address being used more than the other, and around for a longer period of 
time. I also only use the linux email address for mailing lists (both here in 
the DC area, and back home in eugene. The linux address is also not included 
in mailto: links on my webpage, but other address's that do get a lot of spam 
are..
At anyrate, your always welcome to express concerns... sorry we couldnt nail 
the source of your spam, but I havnt seen any effective way to do anything 
about it... filtering is about your only option.

Jamie

On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:12 am, Harald Sundt wrote:
: ...I am not certain why these things work the way they do, but if you
: say it ain't the List, then I retract my cracked and yellow parrot's
: beak of peak.
:
:
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-- 
if (argc  1  strcmp(argv[1], -advice) == 0) {
printf(Don't Panic!\n);
exit(42);
}
-- Arnold Robbins in the LJ of February '95, describing RCS

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