Re: [eug-lug]multimedia puzzle...

2003-12-27 Thread Ben Barrett
I can suggest ncftp for a very good CLI FTP client.

AVI is a wrapper, AFAIK, for a wide variety of stuff.  Even for divx, there
are multiple versions.  There are some alternative media players for 'bloze
on sites such as cnet's download.com ... best wishes for a media-filled new
year!

cheers,

   Ben


On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:19:58 -0800 (PST)
Mr O [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

| Most likely your avi are divx. Get your codecs.
| I use scp, nfs, or smb between my boxes.
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Re: [eug-lug]multimedia puzzle...

2003-12-27 Thread T. Joseph Carter
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 01:06:44PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote:
 I can suggest ncftp for a very good CLI FTP client.

lftp is also rather nice, but it is not always perfect (it doesn't show
the MOTD for example..)


 AVI is a wrapper, AFAIK, for a wide variety of stuff.  Even for divx, there
 are multiple versions.  There are some alternative media players for 'bloze
 on sites such as cnet's download.com ... best wishes for a media-filled new
 year!

AVI files are actually RIFF files given the AVI extension so you know that
they contain video.  RIFF is also used by WAV files, with the WAV
extension meaning that the files contain PCM sound data with no or
lossless compression.

Apple's equivalent to RIFF is called moov.  The name of moov is taken from
its first tag which holds the header information which identifies the
file's contents.  Both come from the Amiga IFF file format, which is
described by many Amiga fans as binary XML.  I do not know what the R
stands for in RIFF, but RIFF is a little-endian format.  The Amiga and mac
both are big-endian.  The structure of the file, regardless of whose
version you're using, is as sequential blocks prefixed by a block size and
type.  I believe the size is a 32 bit number.  The type is four bytes and
is intended to be ASCII for some measure of sanity when viewed in a hex
editor.  ie, moov being the QuickTime format used originally for QT movies
only, the identifier makes perfect sense.

A little more useless/random information, file(1) indicates that WAV files
are RIFF WAVE.  You guessed it, WAVE is the name of the block which
contains the header information telling you that the file is PCM data,
what rate, how many channels, etc.


Caveat 1: Whether the block name or size comes first, I can't remember off
the top of my head.

Caveat 2: Given how much uses the moov format these days, I have to
wonder if I'm not mistaken about its origins with QuickTime.

Caveat 3: I'm not sure if moov is in fact just Amiga IFF and the only
thing special about it is the signature tag.

Caveat 4: In order for IFF to be binary XML, one must see nesting.
Indeed, there is nesting, but not as much as you find with XML.  At some
point in the file, you wind up with one or more huge bloxks of data in
some format specified either by the header or the name of the tag itself.

Vaveat 5: There are too many caveats in this bit of useless information.

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Re: [eug-lug]multimedia puzzle...

2003-12-27 Thread T. Joseph Carter
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 04:47:05PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 01:06:44PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote:
  I can suggest ncftp for a very good CLI FTP client.
 
 lftp is also rather nice, but it is not always perfect (it doesn't show
 the MOTD for example..)
 
 
  AVI is a wrapper, AFAIK, for a wide variety of stuff.  Even for divx, there
  are multiple versions.  There are some alternative media players for 'bloze
  on sites such as cnet's download.com ... best wishes for a media-filled new
  year!
 
 AVI files are actually RIFF files given the AVI extension so you know that
 they contain video.  RIFF is also used by WAV files, with the WAV
 extension meaning that the files contain PCM sound data with no or
 lossless compression.
 
 Apple's equivalent to RIFF is called moov.  The name of moov is taken from
 its first tag which holds the header information which identifies the
 file's contents.  Both come from the Amiga IFF file format, which is
 described by many Amiga fans as binary XML.  I do not know what the R
 stands for in RIFF, but RIFF is a little-endian format.  The Amiga and mac
 both are big-endian.  The structure of the file, regardless of whose
 version you're using, is as sequential blocks prefixed by a block size and
 type.  I believe the size is a 32 bit number.  The type is four bytes and
 is intended to be ASCII for some measure of sanity when viewed in a hex
 editor.  ie, moov being the QuickTime format used originally for QT movies
 only, the identifier makes perfect sense.
 
 A little more useless/random information, file(1) indicates that WAV files
 are RIFF WAVE.  You guessed it, WAVE is the name of the block which
 contains the header information telling you that the file is PCM data,
 what rate, how many channels, etc.
 
 
 Caveat 1: Whether the block name or size comes first, I can't remember off
 the top of my head.
 
 Caveat 2: Given how much uses the moov format these days, I have to
 wonder if I'm not mistaken about its origins with QuickTime.
 
 Caveat 3: I'm not sure if moov is in fact just Amiga IFF and the only
 thing special about it is the signature tag.
 
 Caveat 4: In order for IFF to be binary XML, one must see nesting.
 Indeed, there is nesting, but not as much as you find with XML.  At some
 point in the file, you wind up with one or more huge bloxks of data in
 some format specified either by the header or the name of the tag itself.
 
 Vaveat 5: There are too many caveats in this bit of useless information.

@Knghtbrd LordHavoc: moov is basically IFF isn't it?
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: similar overall but not quite
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: 4 byte size, 8 byte name, then the data
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: IFF is 4 byte name, then 4 byte size, then the data
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: (same as RIFF and AIFF)
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: differences between IFF, RIFF, and AIFF are in name
 restrictions (IFF requires all names be uppercase, for
 example, RIFF and AIFF do not impose that restriction, and
 RIFF is little endian where as the other two are big endian)
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: and in completeness (IFF is a larger spec than RIFF
 and AIFF which do not support things like archives, catalogs,
 and certain other special constructs)
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: and of course in who runs the registration body
@LordHavoc Knghtbrd: (all formats are supposed to be registered)

moov begins with those four letters.  After that is a Uint32 size, char
name[8], and data.  Nesting of tags is doable only because Apple has
decided that it wants to do that - the data is a binary black box as far
as the format is concerned.  Interesting is that AIFC files on the mac are
not in AIFF format, but actually moov format.

That's enough useless information for one day.  ;)
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[eug-lug]multimedia puzzle...

2003-12-26 Thread Linux Rocks !
So, I have a couple weird problems, both unrelated... I have avi files that 
will not open under windows media player. This is really perplexing as avi's 
are basicly a much of .bmp's and wav file. Both .bmp and .wav are windows 
file formats, so I would assume any avi should play on any windows machine.

File says:
RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI
But mplayer plays them fine, but windows media player wont. all it does is try 
to find the codec (says looking up codec server), then fails, then plays 
audio only.

The other multimedia related issue... I have an avi file, plays fine on one 
linux computer. I ftp it to another computer (using gftp, binary transfer, 
passive mode). On the other computer it will not play! File outputs the same 
info on both computers. i ftp the file back to the original computer (same 
gftp and settings). the file back on the original computer (but not the same 
file, the original file is long gone by now...) will not play either, mplayer 
says something about no video... and rtc problem).
As a side note, I noticed that file date was a day in advance after the first 
ftp, and checking both machines showed the correct date.

What programs do you use for ftp? For the longest time, gftp was the only gui 
ftp client I could find. Now Ive found kbear, I tried it a couple weeks ago, 
and it seemed ok... I think I'll put it on one of my boxen and try it out 
again...
I was quite surprised to boot up knoppix and find no gui ftp client (man that 
knoppix has everything except a gui ftp client!). 

oh yeah..one more thing
Happy Hollidays :)

Jamie
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panic(Fod fight!);
-- In the kernel source aha1542.c, after detecting a bad segment list

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Re: [eug-lug]multimedia puzzle...

2003-12-26 Thread Mr O
Most likely your avi are divx. Get your codecs.
I use scp, nfs, or smb between my boxes.


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