Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 05:37:29PM -0500, LARRY KLAES wrote: > But as I always like to ask, how else are we going to search for intelligent > life > in the Universe? Wait for it to come knocking on our door? And star probes > are Of course. If you can send a signal, you can come in person (=s

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research - Europa relevance

2005-02-06 Thread Gary McMurtry
It appears we inadvertently "kicked over the stove" at Michael's house in Japan. Good stuff, Michael, and Europa relevant. Gary What if most life in the universe evolves on worlds like Europa? I've called this the Common Europa Hypothesis. Gas giants appear to be abundant. Water appears to be

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research - Europa relevance

2005-02-06 Thread Michael Turner
What if most life in the universe evolves on worlds like Europa? I've called this the Common Europa Hypothesis. Gas giants appear to be abundant. Water appears to be abundant. The main energy source for biochemistry in the universe might be tidal forces rather than stellar input. The main form o

RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread Reeve, Jack W.
I doubt that the aliens will make the same exponential tech leap at the same rate that we do. We're human after all and therefore special ;-{> I feel the admin coming on, about to admonish us for going extra-Europa. And Michael, I'm 48, chrono-years that is. Or about 1.3 to 10,000 tech years a

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread Michael Turner
Jack Reeve writes: > I wryly note the massive volume of speculation perpetually raging on all > regions of the space-alien sphere of thought. Most of it very anthropomorphic in its assumptions about alien thinking. > Some see panspermian-spawned humanoids, some see robots, some see gods > or d

RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread Reeve, Jack W.
I wryly note the massive volume of speculation perpetually raging on all regions of the space-alien sphere of thought. Some see panspermian-spawned humanoids, some see robots, some see gods or demons. Some see galactic bliss, some see extinction. All I see are a bunch of singularities hurtling

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread LARRY KLAES
But as I always like to ask, how else are we going to search for intelligent life in the Universe?  Wait for it to come knocking on our door?  And star probes are not going to happen any time soon.  SETI at least offers us some chance of picking up something from out there.   Larry  

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread john mccowen
needless conversation ...any alien group or civilization  that can reach earth has already got the very first siginal that left earth  and if it has not reached them yet they will get it when the time for it to get ther passes... this is a sure known fact ... it needs no speculation ! so we

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread john mccowen
of course you are right, gary ! seti ranks with the many religions humans dream up. the worst of them which is the religion belief, coined "creation ". of all the religious dogma it gets the prize... second prize "seti " hummm... on second thought maby seti runs neck and neck... oh.. well

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread Gary McMurtry
A bit off topic, but interesting op-ed. I didn't know about SETI being active; I thought it was mostly passive, a much safer approach. Personally, I'm wildly optimistic that SETI will never achieve its goals. Therefore, there's no need to get worked up about aliens visiting us with mal intent

Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread LARRY KLAES
  http://www.setileague.org/editor/actvseti.htm   Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research by Michael Michaud Member of the SETI Permanent Study Group, International Academy of Astronautics Recent discussions within the SETI community have thoroughly explored the issue of whether people with