in a goal and procede with that ideal in
our mind and hearts, we can achieve it. I for one am doing what I can
in my own small way. If each of us does this, then we will succeed -
within our lifetimes.
Let's go see what's out there. Let's go exploring.
Joe Latrell
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space programs
with cardboard cutouts of astronauts proped up by lackluster media and
managed into 'do nothing' teams does nothing to sell the dream. Just
ask any seventh grader.
Rank Off,
Joe Latrell
Michael Turner wrote:
I wish I could remember where I read it - possible Urban Legend material
Given all that, I would agree that the galatic panspermia concept is a
bit hard to swallow, but the biosphere/hydrocarbon theory has some merit
(in my opinion) because it is a bit more graceful than the concept that
hydrocarbons as we use them are all just 'dinosaur goop' as my kids like
to
That a good idea
A system can be designed to use a streamlined capsule that could hit the
water at rather high velocity without jarring the payload. Make it
bouyant and you get it back when it floats to the surface. If something
goes wrong and it cracks when hitting the water, you would at
Yeah, but what of Stardust? It uses the same recovery technique. I
sense a lot of engineers scrambling right about now.
Joe L.
Reeve, Jack W. wrote:
Sorry Larry, et al. Genesis tunneled into the desert sand unimpeded by
a parachute. It's a mess.
*Jack W. Reeve*
**-Original
Don't get me wrong here and maybe I am being a bit slow here, but I have
some issues that just keep bugging me about the concept of a space
elevator.
1. How do you get it down in the first place. Upper atmosphere winds
can move at over 150 MPH. How do you get a ribbon through that without
it
So if we set the chances for intellegent life at 1 in a billion, then
there would be around 10,000 intellegent civilizations? Now all we have
to do is deal with the time/distance issues and we are all set. Not
bad.
Joe L
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 08:58, LARRY KLAES wrote:
Sept. 25, 2003 The
So more to ponder.
The might be there, or have been there. The probability was given as an
estimate (just grabbed a big number). I have been given the example
that if you took all of the history of the universe (15+ billion years)
and made that time the same as the height of the washington
Michael,
I do not pine for the old days of apollo - I just want the technology.
The engines were fabulous and as pointed out could probably be reverse
engineered. An HLLV would be a fantastic addition to our lift
capabilities.
According to my calculations, $250 Million divided by 100 tons
Robert,
The biggest problem is that even if you had the blueprints it still
wouldn't work right. The techniques used in manufacturing the Saturn
are forever lost. We have newer (and supposedly better) ways of
building things. A lot of things have just changed too much.
Now with that said, if
Larry,
Do you mean something like this:
http://www.europa-icepick.org/klaes_probe.shtml
Just a quick rendering set I did. I do love the concept and think it
can be flushed out even more. If these things are smaller than 30cm
across and weigh only a few kilograms then someone out
That is a lot of equipment and most of it would be calibrated for DNA
sequences from earth. Probably the best thing to do would be to isolate
any biologicals and send them back to earth orbit. Once here, we can
run the tests in a space station (off earth) and minimize chances of
contaminating
Could someone please elaborate on what they mean by nanotech in these
discussions? If you just mean miniaturization, then fine, lets use it
as such. If the definition includes nanobots and the like, I really
think we need to start looking at a really LONG time before we can send
packages like
to Europa rather than just
one. I guess I am still thinking miniaturization.
Next question then, how long does it take to 'build' nanobots and a
bacterium for that matter?
Joe L.
On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 19:04, Robert J. Bradbury wrote:
On 3 Mar 2003, Joe Latrell wrote:
Could someone please
Actually I see it as time over distance. There may in fact be many
'intelligent' worlds at amy given time in the universe, but due to
distances involved, they may never know each other exists.
Joe L.
On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 16:42, James McEnanly wrote:
It wpuld probably on the order of an
have flaked off the smoother paint surface instead of
bonding into the pourous foam.
I wonder if anyone at NASA would listen...
Joe Latrell
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As to your last comment, one of the sketches I have on my drawing board
(for later development) was a 3' long remote camera system for the ISS.
It could easily be adapted to fit in the shuttle bay. Put it on the
wall and launch it when needed. It runs around and takes pictures.
The reality is
congress
decided that NASA didn't need to build that way and the result of the
budget cuts is the beast we have today.
Such is life.
When designing new craft, modularity and safety should be larger factors
so that we can make cheap access to space a reality.
Joe Latrell
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 13:10
the
culprit.
Joe Latrell
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 13:38, Bruce Moomaw wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/02/03/sprj.colu.shuttle/index.html
http://www.msnbc.com/news/867336.asp?0si
The foam fragment is now officially the prime suspect in the disaster --
NASA's engineers concluded during
not work and only cost more
money, but it makes them feel safer.
That will be the real tragedy - not learning from this.
Joe Latrell
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 19:16, Bruce Moomaw wrote:
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the shuttle at over
1200 MPH. If that is the case, there really isn't a meterial that would
have protected the tiles. Titanium would have been compromised at that
speed.
Joe Latrell
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 23:19, Bruce Moomaw wrote:
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SOunds more like a problem with high humidity than with low
temperature. Are there any records of the humidity for that day
available?
Joe L.
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 17:35, Gary McMurtry wrote:
Bruce,
Ice on the main fuel tank, with enough build-up to break off in large
pieces and
Greetings,
My only fear is that the technology will work (and work quite well) only
to be killed of in the great management fiasco called NASA. I know they
mean well, but you cannot innovate when you need to show progress
reports every week.
Joe L.
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 10:45, Robert J.
and
moving parts in a salt environment are a disaster unless you want to
build a filtering process.
Joe Latrell
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technology and the library of information that has
been gathered since his day, his conclusions would most likely vary
wildly from his original theory.
Joe Latrell
On Wed, 2003-01-01 at 12:06, Gary McMurtry wrote:
Has anyone on this list read Darwin's Black Box by Michael Behe
(first
really see any discussions on Jupiter itself being involved in
these changes either directly or indirectly.
It seems strange that scientists avoid looking at the most massive
object that can affect the equation. Hmm...
Joe Latrell
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 15:17, Bruce Moomaw wrote:
RE: New
out twice - so I am in the
process of working out a variable system to avoid some issues.
I will post some photos and notes of what has happened.
Joe Latrell
On Fri, 2002-11-22 at 15:36, Gail Leatherwood wrote:
Just out of curiosity, has this project now died? Nothing but dead silence
for a week
,
Joe Latrell
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We could use an 80mm DVD. That should hold about 2GB of data. Compress
it and we can get 3 or 4 GB on the disk. That is a lot of names!
;)
Joe Latrell
On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 12:55, Robert Crawley wrote:
MP3 should work. Have it sing Theres a hole as its boring its way down.
Robert
Greetings,
Has anyone out there looked at this site yet:
http://www.honeybeerobotics.com/sample.htm
Looks like they have worked out some issues. Perhaps we can get a look
at some of their research.
Joe Latrell
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While the site contains few details, some of their work is facinating.
Lots Cad Renderings mixed in with real photos.
The only problem I see in the design is how to get rid of the excess
materials from drilling. I don't see a clear path from the nose to the
tail.
Joe Latrell
On Mon, 2002
We can always ask if they are looking for a pertner. Do we have some
grant writing experts in the group?
Joe Latrell
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 13:41, Gail Leatherwood wrote:
My first impression of the photos and drawings of the Inchworm was Lots of
precision metal work here, along with some
to do.
Joe Latrell
On Mon, 2002-11-11 at 16:10, Gail Leatherwood wrote:
Yes! I'm told that a working model is a giant step forward toward a grant.
Even the money mavens want to see something they can hold in their hot
little hands; better yet if they can play with it while sitting around
Agreed.
Communication is the only thing that will really hold the group together
and allow it to thrive. The more the better - including the arguments
that lead to great discoveries.
Joe Latrell
P.S. I have MR Project running under Linux now on a workstation I can
dedicate to the project
, but I as with all editing, the more eyes on it the better.
Opinions?
Joe Latrell
If you want to build a ship, you don't drum up men to go to the forrest
to gather wood, saw it and nail the planks together. Instead teach them
the desire for the sea.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
I use AIM a lot, but on a variety of computer systems. The Linux
version will not allow file transfers, but chat works just fine.
My screenName is GenDrone1.
Joe Latrell
On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 03:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How many have heard of AIM? Aol Instant Messanger. It's
Well put.
Here are the rules for life - as I have them:
You can't cross a chasm in two small jumps. - Eli Callaway
Nothing is impossible - just damned difficult. - Joe Latrell
Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you will land among the stars.
- Les Brown
Lets say we build a ice
a 2 block of 5 diameter ice in a few minutes.
Joe Latrell
On Sun, 2002-11-03 at 20:56, Robert J. Bradbury wrote:
On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Gail Leatherwood wrote:
The original concept proposed motorcycle batteries for the power source,
primarily, I think, because of their small size. How
- and I don't mean
the namby pamby stuff NASA has been feeding the public either.
Joe Latrell
On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 10:41, Christlieb, Scott F. wrote:
Being unlearned in these things, but really curious...
I don't understand how preferential heating or jetting, not that I really
Leaps of rationale (leaps of logic) have lead to great inventions.
Joe Latrell
On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 12:22, Reeve, Jack W. wrote:
Scott,
Great points all.
In my vision of the device, I see gravity as the sole impetus for downward
movement. I see forward reading sonar and perhaps
What about www.europa-icepick.org? It is available and ready to go. I
also have 500MB of web space standing by.
Who gets the keys?
Joe Latrell
On Wed, 2002-10-30 at 19:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:40:41 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
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the problems are.
CAD can then come into play as the ideas that work are separated from
the ideas that don't.
Joe Latrell
On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 07:35, Robert Crawley wrote:
The nifty thing about CAD is you can assemble this thing in 3D, spin it
around, play with it, then put it in a mock up
give you room to check manuverability. By the way, these
things weight about 200 lbs each. They might have to be placed
vertically before filling :)
Joe Latrell
On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 09:11, John Sheff wrote:
What a brilliant idea! That's the kind of ingenious and non-linear thinking
we could
Just as a followup, I found a company in Denver Colorado that
manufactures the culvert. They charge about $200 less than the Canadian
firm. The olny catch is it is a cash and carry - no deliveries :(
Joe Latrell
On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 10:05, Joe Latrell wrote:
The culvert pipe is a great
). Sooner or later something I am working on is
going to get someone's attention :)
Joe Latrell
On Tue, 2002-10-29 at 19:23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
someone pointed me to http://pluto.jhuapl.edu, which
is the web site for the new horizons missions; the
mission appears to be alive and well
will run
in a freezer and my camera is not too fond of the cold. Besides, the
light does not stay on when I close the door :)
Does anyone have any objections, complaints, additions? Does anyone
think I'm jumping the gun here?
Joe Latrell
BTW - This is for my own amusement, so to speak. I love
also dabbled in geology, biology, physics,
mathematics, etc. I am an avid builder as well. Currently I make my
living by managing software projects (it pays).
Anyway, I look forward to assisting as best as I can.
Sincerely,
Joe Latrell
Beyond-Earth Enterprises
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Optical fiber can be used to send information pulses in the form of
light from point a to point b. virtually all major communication on
the internet relies on a fiber backbone (or 2 or 3). It is possible to
get the equipment for something like this, but it is not all that cheap.
I'll ask some
How big is this thing supposed to be? Depending on the mass, crawling
back up a fire optic cable is almost guaranteed to break it. Fiber is
small and it does not have a lot of tensile strength.
Joe
On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 13:42, Reeve, Jack W. wrote:
A little additional thought would be to
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