RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-08 Thread Mark Schnitzius
--- Joseph Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would a species out there that was enjoying a eutopian existance even want to communicate with a planet of self-destructive apes? The worst cliche in science fiction, I think, is the tired story of an alien race that discovers humans, decides

RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-07 Thread prietobo
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2005-02-07 Thread john mccowen
i agree! - Original Message - From: Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: europa@klx.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:51 AM Subject: Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research == You are subscribed to the Europa Icepick mailing list: europa@klx.com Project information and list (un

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-07 Thread john mccowen
i agree ! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: europa@klx.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 3:19 AM Subject: RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research Return Receipt Your RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research document : was Olga Prieto

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-07 Thread john mccowen
i agree! - Original Message - From: Reeve, Jack W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: europa@klx.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:49 AM Subject: RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research I doubt that the aliens will make the same exponential tech leap at the same rate that we do. We're human

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research - Europa relevance

2005-02-07 Thread john mccowen
1 agree ! - Original Message - From: Gary McMurtry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: europa@klx.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research - Europa relevance It appears we inadvertently kicked over the stove at Michael's house in Japan. Good

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research - Europa relevance

2005-02-07 Thread john mccowen
i agree! - Original Message - From: Michael Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: europa@klx.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:57 AM Subject: Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research - Europa relevance What if most life in the universe evolves on worlds like Europa? I've called

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-07 Thread john mccowen
i agree! - Original Message - From: Michael Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: europa@klx.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:44 AM Subject: Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research Jack Reeve writes: I wryly note the massive volume of speculation perpetually raging on all regions

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-07 Thread john mccowen
i agree! - Original Message - From: Reeve, Jack W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: europa@klx.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 9:15 PM Subject: RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research I wryly note the massive volume of speculation perpetually raging on all regions of the space-alien sphere

RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-07 Thread Joseph Z.
Of Michael Turner Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:45 AM To: europa@klx.com Subject: Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research Jack Reeve writes: I wryly note the massive volume of speculation perpetually raging on all regions of the space-alien sphere of thought. Most of it very anthropomorphic

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-07 Thread Michael Turner
in the first place. If nothing else, repeating that point keeps me on-topic for this list. ;-) -michael - Original Message - From: Joseph Z. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: europa@klx.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:40 PM Subject: RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research It is quite possible

RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-07 Thread Schmidt Mickey D Civ HQ USAFA/DF
It appears to me that any advanced civilization will have several obstacles to overcome when it relates to traveling across the gulf of space to check out some suspected intelligent species. Technology: Even if we were to discover an extra-terrestrial civilization today as near as 11 light years

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-07 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 09:37:48AM -0700, Schmidt Mickey D Civ HQ USAFA/DF wrote: It appears to me that any advanced civilization will have several obstacles to overcome when it relates to traveling across the gulf of No problem, given that your average alien is some 10-100 megayears more

RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-07 Thread Gary McMurtry
? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Turner Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:45 AM To: europa@klx.com Subject: Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research Jack Reeve writes: I wryly note the massive volume of speculation perpetually raging on all

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread Gary McMurtry
A bit off topic, but interesting op-ed. I didn't know about SETI being active; I thought it was mostly passive, a much safer approach. Personally, I'm wildly optimistic that SETI will never achieve its goals. Therefore, there's no need to get worked up about aliens visiting us with mal

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread john mccowen
the truth about what they are realy like ! and that what they believe is pachyderm dreck ! john l. mccowen 174 duck rd. fitzgerald, ga. 31750 - Original Message - From: Gary McMurtry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: europa@klx.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Active SETI

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread john mccowen
needless conversation ...any alien group or civilization that can reach earth has already got the very first siginal that left earth and if it has not reached them yet they will get it when the time for it to get ther passes... this is a sure known fact ... it needs no speculation ! so we

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread LARRY KLAES
- Original Message - From: john mccowen To: europa@klx.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research of course you are right, gary ! seti ranks with the many religions humans dream up. the worst of them which is the religion

RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread Reeve, Jack W.
: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research A bit off topic, but interesting op-ed. I didn't know about SETI being active; I thought it was mostly passive, a much safer approach. Personally, I'm wildly optimistic that SETI will never achieve its goals. Therefore, there's no need to get worked up

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread Michael Turner
, February 07, 2005 4:50 AM To: europa@klx.com Subject: Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research A bit off topic, but interesting op-ed. I didn't know about SETI being active; I thought it was mostly passive, a much safer approach. Personally, I'm wildly optimistic that SETI will never

RE: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread Reeve, Jack W.
ahead of you, depending upon whether it's 2005 or 2050. Jack W Reeve Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia -Original Message- From: Michael Turner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:45 PM To: europa@klx.com Subject: Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research Jack Reeve

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research - Europa relevance

2005-02-06 Thread Gary McMurtry
It appears we inadvertently kicked over the stove at Michael's house in Japan. Good stuff, Michael, and Europa relevant. Gary What if most life in the universe evolves on worlds like Europa? I've called this the Common Europa Hypothesis. Gas giants appear to be abundant. Water appears to be

Re: Active SETI Is Not Scientific Research

2005-02-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Feb 06, 2005 at 05:37:29PM -0500, LARRY KLAES wrote: But as I always like to ask, how else are we going to search for intelligent life in the Universe? Wait for it to come knocking on our door? And star probes are Of course. If you can send a signal, you can come in person (=send