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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-europa;klx.com]On Behalf Of Robert
Crawley
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 5:55 PM
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Subject: RE: No power sources available
These grenades don't so much as create a blast, as just sit there and
generate a lot of heat. A lot like
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:JHByrne;aol.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:51 PM
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In a message dated 10/28/2002 2:03:22 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of course the fuel does not have
It is worth noting that according to:
http://helios.jpl.nasa.gov/%7Ebehar/AntWebSite/MainPage/documents/JPLAntIceProbe.pdf
Slide #26 of 48, that the Hot-water jet drilling required 480kw of power.
That is *not* a small amount of power (its approximately equal to 24 homes
drawing their full
Using a chemical reaction to melt through miles of ice won't work. The
chemical reaction to melt or dissociate water to clear a path to open water
will require thousands of tons or reactants, even lithium!
Maybe we should be thinking of a way to use Jupiter's magnetic field to
generate
Robert,
If I understand this correctly, lithium makes lithium hydroxide and hydrogen
after being exposed to water. Could there be a chemical way to revitalize
this process without adding tons of materials? Is anyone on this list a
chemical engineer?
Generally speaking in chemistry you are
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-europa;klx.com]On Behalf Of Robert
J. Bradbury
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:46 PM
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Subject: RE: No power sources available
Robert,
If I understand this correctly
clear a path for Icepick? It would be a fast way to the
bottom of the ice.
Scott.
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From: Robert Crawley [mailto:programming-epfi;txucom.net]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 2:15 PM
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I was trying
] [mailto:owner-europa;klx.com]On Behalf Of
Christlieb, Scott F.
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 2:48 PM
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Since we're brain storming...
When I was in the military we used white phosphorus grenades to melt down
of).
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From: Robert Crawley [mailto:programming-epfi;txucom.net]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:28 PM
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Yes, that should work nicely. Let's see... drop grenade on ice. Wait 30-45
minutes. Drop grenade #2 down
] [mailto:owner-europa;klx.com]On Behalf Of CHRIS
CANTRELL
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:13 PM
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What about some kind of kinetic energy system ... shooting a stream of small
rocky objects at the target site before breaking into orbit
burn even on Europa. Is the ice
really 10 miles thick?
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From: Robert Crawley [mailto:programming-epfi;txucom.net]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:28 PM
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Yes, that should work nicely. Let's see
Again ... I am no rocket scientist! ;-)
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From: Robert Crawley [mailto:programming-epfi;txucom.net]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:42 PM
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I would expect that to be like pecking at the surface, and the more
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Yes, that should work nicely. Let's see... drop grenade on ice. Wait 30-45
minutes. Drop grenade #2 down the hole. Wait a few minutes before it gets
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Christlieb, Scott F. wrote:
One grenade would go through the whole cabinet
in a few moments. On a larger scale, could we control and direct this type
of energy to quickly clear a path for Icepick? It would be a fast way to the
bottom of the ice.
The problem is that
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Robert Crawley wrote:
Yes, that should work nicely. Let's see... drop grenade on ice. Wait 30-45
minutes. Drop grenade #2 down the hole. Wait a few minutes before it gets to
the bottom. Wait another 30-45 minutes. Drop grenade #3... this might take a
little while.
Rob,
, Scott F.
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:41 PM
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LOL - We're brainstorming right?
That's not exactly what I was thinking. This would not be a grenade simply
exploding in all directions, but a sustained white phosphorus charge
copper
oxide.
Robert Crawley
Elite Precision Fabricators, Inc.
Programming
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-europa;klx.com]On Behalf Of Robert
J. Bradbury
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 5:23 PM
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Subject: RE: No power sources available
In a message dated 10/28/2002 12:59:45 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, that should work nicely. Let's see... drop grenade on ice. Wait 30-45
minutes. Drop grenade #2 down the hole. Wait a few minutes before it gets to
the bottom. Wait another 30-45 minutes. Drop grenade
In a message dated 10/28/2002 2:03:22 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of course the fuel does not have to be White Phosphorus. Maybe hypergolic
fuels would be better suited. It would be safer to store for such a long
trip. I just thought WP would be a good example because it
In a message dated 10/28/2002 2:22:52 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't see what the point is of the IcePIC group attempting to
drop a probe 500' when NASA has already gone much further (though
they drilled the holes with non-probe machinery).
The point is to do it,
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