Hi Jeff,
Thanks too, from me for running this thing.
I'm a novice with regard to this. What does one need to do and what
does it take to maintain a mailing list such as this?
Jack W Reeve
Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
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From: Jeff Foust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I wryly note the massive volume of speculation perpetually raging on all
regions of the space-alien sphere of thought.
Some see panspermian-spawned humanoids, some see robots, some see gods
or demons. Some see galactic bliss, some see extinction.
All I see are a bunch of singularities hurtling
I doubt that the aliens will make the same exponential tech leap at the
same rate that we do. We're human after all and therefore special ;-{
I feel the admin coming on, about to admonish us for going extra-Europa.
And Michael, I'm 48, chrono-years that is. Or about 1.3 to 10,000 tech
years
is can all be prototyped here on
Earth - the Greenland ice cap is certainly deep enough.
-michael
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:06
PM
Subject: RE: How far can radio signals
penetrate through ice?
Title: Message
We're
re-inventing the wheel here. Seems that there was a plan wherein a series
of puck-like transceivers could be left in the ice upon descent, one every so
many hundred or thousand meters. Not a bad idea, except for the dead
batteries issue sooner or later.
Re the
cable.
Title: Message
In the oil and gas business, seismic (sonar)
description of rock formations is pretty accurate down to around 20,000 feet,
then starts to get a bit fuzzy.
On earth, elephants use low frequency sound
to communicate over 10's of miles, through air.
In the oceans, many whale
Title: Message
Sorry Larry, et al. Genesis tunneled
into the desert sandunimpeded by a parachute. It's a
mess.
Jack W.
Reeve
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KLAES [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday 08 September 2004 16:11
To: setipublicCc: BioAstro; europaSubject: Fw:
In Roger Penrose's book, The Emperor's New Mind, he presents the
argument that true AI, rooted in digital computer systems, is not
possible. I've borrowed an explanation of it from Kelley Ross: The
Emperor's new clothes, of course, were no clothes. The Emperor's New
Mind, we then suspect, is
Interesting, Eugen.
Perhaps our genetic code is the carrier and the message from afar lies
within it. Perhaps we are the answer to our own queries and panspermia
is the dissemination network. It fits your model of self-replication
and utilization of resources along the way.
This would mean
Title: Message
Gary
wrote:
What kind of rock is the meteorite composed of? It had better be
sedimentary. If igneous or high-T metamorphic, their hypothesis of ET life
is blown.
Gary,
It
appears from the little reading I did on this that these materials are thought
of by some to be
Reeve, Jack W. would like to recall the message, The gun thing again [Off Topic].
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Gentle fellow proto-technophiles and sundry sophisticated simians,
There are a lot of y'all who know a lot more about flight path
manipulation, orbital physics and whatnot than do I. However, I do know
more than a little about drilling holes in the earth. So let's look at
a few things.
To
Title: Message
Sundry clever primates around the
world,
OK, OK, I know. The gun thing won't
work for orbital delivery of stuff to build Europan probes because one can't
shave the big bump off of the resultant wobbling orbit ... or +- something like
that.
However if one were to cant the
Most August Simians,
Interestingly, (from a standpoint of trying to avoid the waste of
fuel-eating trajectory corrections) GS orbits need not be circular.
Even with a circular orbit, it still appears doable via a Hohmann
transfer.
Equatorial mountain candidates for drilling the gun boreholes
One or our firm's product sets is electronic sensing tools for oil well
drilling. These tools must tolerate tremendous heat, pressure and
rather high acceleration loads. They are continually making headway.
To withstand the rigors of a gun launch (remember too that my version of
the gun is 4
Gary,
Yep, but drilling a deep gun borehole into an active volcano implies
significant heat issues while drilling. Ideally we like to see
temperatures staying below 300oF at 4000 m of measured depth of hole.
That said, I haven't determined geothermal gradients for the other
potential sites
Double or triple layers, a few feet from each other, chambered. If the
outer layer is breached, the inner layer of the chamber which was hit
would stretch outward under impetus of the pressure delta, cover the
hole and seal it off. It is unlikely that holes in the inner and outer
layers would
Hey Michael,
Hows it going?
What do you know about medical diagnostic
MRI capabilities?
I know that it is capable of producing image
slices with differentiation of tissues, soft and hard. But I dont
know what resolution it is capable of rendering.
This all goes toward an idea
Reeve, Jack W. would like to recall the message, MRI Precision.
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Or Kenya or Indonesia. Truth is Michael, I like Ecuador too, though my reasons are
purely romantic and literary. I relish the fact that every morning, all morning long,
the towering shadow of mankind's ultimate symbol of technological evolution would
bisect the Galapagos; the birthplace of
Sorry to put the final nail in the coffin of the S5, but I have it on
good account that the last existing 3rd stage engine, for which there
are no existing plans or other prototypes, was obliterated in a high
speed impact.
Seems an LSD-addicted grad student/intern working at the Space Center
Perhaps we ought to seek sponsorship and funding from Becks and Posh.
Jack W. Reeve
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From: LARRY KLAES [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday 06 August 2003 23:46
To: europa
Subject: Soccer Balls to Saturn's Rings
Here is a mission concept I
I have seen a fair amount of mention of nuclear technology for powering
space craft. It occurs to me that I have no idea just how this energy
is transformed into a usable form. Can someone explain this? Also,
with regard to propulsion, how would a nuclear source propel a space
vehicle without
As many of y'all are aware, Stephen
J. Gould penned a beautiful book called "Wonderful Life: The Burgess
Shale and the Nature of History" which centers upon the stunning
diversity of life in the "Cambrian explosion" some half-billion
years back.
From this rich marine environment wherein
It is perhaps noteworthy that skepticism over highly developed life on
Europa (or anywhere else for that matter), though based in science and fact,
is by definition extrapolation from a one unit data set, Earth.
Even if all we find are the most profoundly mundane representations of alien
life,
: Eugen Leitl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday 24 February 2003 15:31
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: What about intelligent life on Europa?
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Reeve, Jack W. wrote:
It is perhaps noteworthy that skepticism over highly developed life on
Europa (or anywhere else
All,
Bob's right. Well, I guess that's it then.
Jack W. Reeve
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From: Robert J. Bradbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday 21 February 2003 14:55
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Life on Europa: So what?
I am going to post what some might consider (on this
I liked the Bob-thing about the measure of made-it-ness being control of
ones own destiny. Talk about a relative term!
If we then were to discover a really hep superior race of aliens who were
more in control of their own destinies vis-à-vis us, as Bob is to bugs, then
Bob-ness to them would be
High 90's. 2012-2014.
Jack W. Reeve
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17:12
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Subject: Re: Life on Europa: So
what?
What
kinds of chances do you think we have for finding life on
How could the foam hit the shuttle at 500mph???
Imagery helps here.
Imagine tossing just the lid from a standard plastic picnic cooler (say 30
X 20 X 2.5 thick) out of the cockpit window of a 737 at 550 mph at 30,000
ft or so. Picture the wind ripping at it just before you let it go. (of
Titan's tale of a potentially
bio-generative molecular soup existing at another temperature realm begs the
question: How many of these temperature realms are there where an appropriate
liquid solvent provides a medium for genesis?
I haven't the organic chemistry
knowledge to answer
Gallium's about USD 600/kg and indium is around USD 190/kg.
Regards,
Jack W. Reeve
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From: Bruce Moomaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday 02 December 2002 17:14
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Subject: Serendipity
Further, IMHO, the notion of an optical data line spooled out behind the
probe is not a dead issue. Ergo, telecom data transmission system knowledge
may soon be a hot issue. Stay tuned and jump in when you like.
Jack
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CSA? Are we referencing the California Space Authority, the Canadian Space
Agency or who?
Jack W. Reeve
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Houston, TX
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From: Robert Crawley
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Subject: RE: Reality Check Time
Chinese.
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Elite Precision Fabricators, Inc.
Programming
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Jack W
I believe that due to its plasticity, the
pressure environment within the ice will follow a simple hydrostatic linear
trend.
On Europa, the pressure gradient can be estimated
as Ice SG X 1.324 = kPa/m Depth. So, at 10,000 m depth, the
surrounding pressure ought to be around 13240 kPa or
of all things Europa
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From: Reeve, Jack W. [mailto:Jack.Reeve;bakerhughes.com]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts
It's an elegant notion, but articulation
I just took delivery of a new metal
lathe/milling/drilling machine, and have set it up in a well-lit corner of my
garage. Once I figure out how to make it go, building a prototype to
satisfy a number of my own curiosities about melting one's way through
ice will sit atop the project list.
A few miles of light-transmitting
fiber spooled out behind the cryobot shouldn't weigh any more than the
proposed transmission "pucks". Also, if a metallic filament
were adjacent the optical line(s), it could be periodically heated to
reposition and de-stress itself in the event of ice
In easily accessible regions of Canada and the US are numerous glaciers with
access to their undersides. Further, the ice is thick, often dirty and
stratified with rocky inclusions and other debris. Plus, glaciers are
dynamic, with all sorts of internal stress and movement as they work their
control v. Wire... and 1 part or 2?
On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Reeve, Jack W. wrote:
A few miles of light-transmitting fiber spooled out behind the cryobot
shouldn't weigh any more than the proposed transmission pucks. Also, if
a
metallic filament were adjacent the optical line(s), it could
on the mass, crawling
back up a fire optic cable is almost guaranteed to break it. Fiber is
small and it does not have a lot of tensile strength.
Joe
On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 13:42, Reeve, Jack W. wrote:
A little additional thought would be to enshroud the data fibers with a
metallic outer wrap
Here's a good measure of 20
years. In 1980, I was an oil and gas drilling supervisor in Northern Canada. At the end of
each well, I'd transmit visual images of well data on a facsimile
machine. The machine was in a large black suitcase, weighing about 40 lbs
and cost $4000. The head
Too weird. We gots ta go there.
Jack
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From: Bruce Moomaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday 12 July 2002 00:41
To: Planetary Sciences Group
Cc: Jupiter List; Europa Icepick
Subject: Astonishing news on Europa oxygen
Over the past few days I've been having an
I'm confused. Does the 12 miles refer to ice thickness, ice and water,
water, or what?
Best regards,
Jack
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From: Thomas Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday 30 May 2002 09:45
To:
I think it's beautiful!
Jack
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I don't have much of a feel as to what degree these salt or debris
inclusions would impede progress, as I don't know if they are vast planar
lenses or just spotty impediments to be navigated around.
This excerpt from a previous email deals a little with this:
It sure would be
If it can be determined that whatever salts are present are of the Magnesium
Sulfate (wet variety), then the cryobot would be able to melt through those
as well, as Epsom salts' melt point is about 200-250 C I think.
Jack
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From: Gary McMurtry [mailto:[EMAIL
In my opinion, the closest likelihood for private space development lies
within adventure/eco-tourism.
Placement of a set of voluminous containers is relatively easily attainable
through modifications of the shuttles' aux. tank.
Construction and maintenance cargo as well as personnel and
Very interesting seed crystal, JHB. Space Exploration Is Us $10^9 / $50
is only 20,000,000 people. A couple handfuls of $10^7 advertizing contracts
(website, rocket sides, imprinted solar panels, etc), and you're much
closer. Soneone say, Lets do it!
Jack
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From:
Perception remains reality. Space exploration is ultimately funded by a
curious public. Capital is mobile, sensitive and scarce.
These three points converge at the suggestion, Find something alive in the
seas of Europa, the public will be enraptured and we'll have the capital to
do a lot of
Hey Tim,
What does
PPEEETGERVQLAHHFSEPEITLIIFGVMAGVIGTILLISYGIRRLIKKSPSDVKPLPSPDTDVPLSSVEIENPET
SDQ mean?
Jack W. Reeve
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From: Tim Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday 31 May
Whatever the sonic source, I would imagine that the ice would have
considerably greater isotropy than sedimentary geology does here on Earth,
where we get pretty good images of lithology despite chaotic anisotropy.
Ergo, the picture through the ice ought to be pretty good. Should need a
lot
Gary,
Funny how we always rotate back to the black smokers and ergo Europa. I
realize that the life down there around the vents and those bugs eking out a
happy existence on the chilly hydrates do very well without the
photosynthetic process, thank you very much.
And I am a firm believer that
Gary,
Sorry, in my enthusiasm I neglected to insert the I had to this point
believed that phrase in the third paragraph of my earlier conjecture.
I confess to being astonished by the idea that chemosynthetic evolutionary
processes are considered to be such a huge player in the development of
Hi,
I don't see why a telescopic, orientable flower antenna would be
particularly difficult to engineer. I envision it extending from the ice on
command, opening like a daffodil, dishing out its signal, then retracting,
to re-appear at the whims of its manipulators on Earth.
Does anyone
With regard to the initiation of life processes, I'm still struggling with
the impetus element.
Sort of like, What makes the molecules care if they replicate or not?
Jack W. Reeve
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From: Bruce Moomaw
Hi Gail,
God, I always thought LOL meant Lots of Luck!
Yikes!
Its funny just how fuzzy we all are on the notion of the probability of
evolution from relatively bright creatures (lizards) to technologically
adept explorers. Doesn't look so tough to me. I mean, here we are.
One thing for
Hi Gary,
Yeah, I read Wonderful Life. Utterly astounding book; fantastic
creatures. I used to live about 120 miles from the Burgess shale outcrop,
though I never got up there.
Re your Europa prototypes: have you figured out how to get through the ice
without nukes?
Jack W. Reeve
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