Collin Kidder via EV wrote:
my biggest problem with things like the Aptera is really safety. All
other things being equal, safety in a crash comes down to energy transfer.
And, energy is a function of mass and speed.
That's true, but all things are *not* equal. Fatality rates are a
function
With that logic it's time to start commuting in a cement truck! No thanks,
I'll continue driving my 2014 Chevy Volt and 2000 Honda Insight and tempt
fate!. I see a guy riding an electric scooter almost everyday on a main rode
on the way to work with a backpack. Not sure how long he'll last,
10wh/mi is extremely dubious. It'd be great if that were physically
possible at realistic speeds but it just isn't.
But, my biggest problem with things like the Aptera is really safety. All
other things being equal, safety in a crash comes down to energy transfer.
And, energy is a function of
Okay so we have some good conversation going here. I'll try to keep this is
short as possible. I am actually happy that some may believe the Aptera might
achieve 100 wh/ mi or 10 miles per kWh. I'm really not sure that can be done
but we will see and yes I would like to see some actual
As I said before, raising efficiency rather than jamming in a monster
battery is a Good Thing. If we can believe the claims for Aptera, in that
respect it's on the right track.
I want to see the EPA/WLTP numbers, but I can sort of believe that it could
manage 100 wh/mi. The humble 1992
> from my experience with my 1985 electric Avanti
> I get more interest than the Tesla parked next
I've been finding this true for a while now. When my
factory-conversion 1981 Rabbit is parked a few spaces down from any
Tesla, I see people inspecting it or taking selfies alongside it. I
get
Seems like a lot of comments about the Aptera so first I would say the Aptera
is not a motorcycle, it is classified as an autocycle which has features such
as three wheels, a steering wheel and the driver is enclosed. It is probably
true that in many states it is considered as a motorcycle
On 9/5/23 17:51, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
2. It's limited. It can't carry much cargo or many people. This again
raises the value-for-money question. It might have around 80 miles less
range, but in parts of Europe a similar price gets you a Dacia Spring EV
that can haul 4 people in
I like what Aptera is trying to do. Tackling the question of range by
boosting vehicle efficiency rather than cramming in a monster-capacity-
battery is admirable - and rational.
The problem is that auto buyers aren't very rational, especially in the US.
1. The Aptera looks ... funny. It's
Michael Ross via EV wrote:
Boy, would I like this to work.
I must say that, on vehicle solar charging seems to me a marketing
strategy, not a useful design feature.
I agree. Their numbers sound like best-case marketing claims, rather
than typical-use cases.
...1000 watts per square meter
Boy, would I like this to work.
I must say that, *on vehicle, solar charging* seems to me a *marketing
strategy*, *not a useful design feature*.
Here in central NC we get, at very best, 1000 watts per square meter, that
is not all day long, maybe 6 hours of peak sun. We don't get that daily by
It is interesting to note in all this discussion of charging that Aptera, long
before the OEMs decided to go with the Tesla plug, actually submitted a
petition for adoption of the Tesla plug nationwide. Of course, most people
thought that was a stupid idea and figured it would never happen.
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