Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-08 Thread Ryan Fulcher via EV
The 100 square miles of solar panels in Arizona was simply an example for scale... What you would actually do is use all of the existing modern structures roof area, which is very likely some factor greater up to perhaps an order more than the 100 square miles of surface area... Then humanity

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-08 Thread paul dove via EV
Yes, he stated they would need storage facilities, that’s obvious because of nightfall. Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, November 7, 2023, 6:28 PM, Michael Ross wrote: Musk proposed a seat of the pants estimate in an interview about how much solar array surface area would

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-07 Thread Michael Ross via EV
Musk proposed a seat of the pants estimate in an interview about how much solar array surface area would produce as much energy as THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE. He used the output of average solar equipment at less than optimal output (I forget, maybe it was 15% efficient cells). I did my own seat of

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-07 Thread paul dove via EV
Elon Musk said he can power the whole US with 100 square miles on solar panels in Arizona  Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, November 6, 2023, 12:41 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: I note a couple things about Zeihan's POV: He is talking about global defossilizing. Not mere

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-06 Thread Michael Ross via EV
On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 3:40 PM 63urban via EV wrote: > Please explain how a flammable gas is not an energy source? Propane, from the gas in a well - capture it, light it, it burns and heat is released. There are tons of calories in oil or natural gas. Hydrogen cracked from the gas and oil

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-06 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Michael Ross wrote: > All the comments on this thread have failed to actually understand > what he is talking about, or even watch it, seemingly. I watched it, and think I do understand his point. Our high-tech society is using up huge amounts of resources for quick and easy short-term gains. It

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-06 Thread 63urban via EV
.com> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success. What?  Hydrogen is NOT an alternative to Nuclear!   Hydrogen is a STORAGE MEDIUM, not an energy source!    Just like a battery pack, something needs to charge it (generate the hydrogen).Not to get too far off base, but Nuclear does not rea

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-06 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
icle Discussion List Cc: Michael Ross < > michael.e.r...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success. I > note a couple things about Zeihan's POV: He is talking about > globaldefossilizing. Not mere vehicle electrification. We face the fact > that EVsare just a small p

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-06 Thread 63urban via EV
) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Michael Ross Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success. I note a couple things about Zeihan's POV: He is talking about globaldefossilizing. Not mere vehicle electrification. We face the fact that EVsare just a small part of what needs solving.If he

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-06 Thread Michael Ross via EV
I note a couple things about Zeihan's POV: He is talking about global defossilizing. Not mere vehicle electrification. We face the fact that EVs are just a small part of what needs solving. If he is correct, and his business is doing the math, we need to work on things that have a possibility of

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-05 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On 11/5/2023 8:18 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: On 5 Nov 2023 at 8:49, Thos True via EV wrote: I'm not an engineer, but I suspect that the main concern isn't so much the total energy used as the peak load. Which is why the larger Tesla sites have Megapacks installed. I think it's likely in

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-05 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 5 Nov 2023 at 8:49, Thos True via EV wrote: > I find it difficult to believe that we are once again being drawn into > the argument that the grid cannot support the demand for EV's ... Most > vehicles use around the same amount of electricity per charge as > running a dryer for a couple of

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-05 Thread Thos True via EV
I find it difficult to believe that we are once again being drawn into the argument that the grid cannot support the demand for EV's. Society has been in this situation several times since the early 1900's. With each new electrical product's popularity (televisions, refrigerators, air

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-04 Thread EV@TucsonEV via EV
Well, once again, it looks like the thread has strayed from EV's into politics... Best regards, Rush Dougherty TucsonEV 1014 E King St Tucson AZ 85719 520 240 7493 www.TucsonEV.com EV List Lackey wrote - > "To understand the Republican party, or the Democratic party, for that matter, it is

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-04 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 4 Nov 2023 at 11:51, EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: > > Part of the problem is that our "leaders" are actually followers. > > Entirely true and as it should be, after all we elect our leaders and > they are supposed to follow the will of the people. You (and I) wish. Nope; they follow the

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-04 Thread EV@TucsonEV via EV
> Part of the problem is that our "leaders" are actually followers. Entirely true and as it should be, after all we elect our leaders and they are supposed to follow the will of the people. And if we don't think they are 'following' us, then we don't re-elect them as was the case with trump (one

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-04 Thread Lee Hart via EV
> Gloom and doom... wow. Innovation breeds innovation! > Of course based on what we see today things are impossible. > But with each step forward the creative juices flow. So true! Part of the problem is that our "leaders" are actually followers. They follow the polls, they follow the money,

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-04 Thread 63urban via EV
group I am at times amazed by the negativity.Sent from my Bell Samsung device over Canada's largest network. Original message From: Michael Ross via EV Date: 2023-11-03 10:30 p.m. (GMT-05:00) To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Michael Ross Subject: [EVDL] EV's

Re: [EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-03 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
I found a lot of faults with his assessment, but he's a sharp guy. He doesn't understand that even if coal powers an EV it's still cleaner than ICE. He also doesn't think the grid can support EVs, which is also not true. As far as materials, when there's a demand, the market will provide. On

[EVDL] EV's not a green success.

2023-11-03 Thread Michael Ross via EV
I can't evaluate this. But I approve of the broad stroke analysis. He thinks it could take a century to replace ICE with EVs. Among other things. Why EVs Aren't The GreenTech Panacea || Peter Zeihan https://youtu.be/8P95NFlAnmY?si=T460QtOCo9lwqfsz Bottom line for him, we should be spending our