Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18
Those batteries are rated for 3C continuous. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: > > 95 40ah cells is only 12kWh. Range will be minimal. > I doubt the 40ah cells will last very long since you will be pulling at > minimum 1C continuous. > > Al > >> On 6/11/2015 3:00 PM, David Miller via EV wrote: >> Everyone, >> One of our Rav4EV News Group guys converted his Rav4 to Lithium for ~$7.5 >> total. $5k for >> 95 batteries and $2.5k for the BMS. His conversion adds j1772 charging >> capability as well. He >> gets a 90 mile range and has sporty acceleration. >> I don't know how long his CALB 40AH >> LiFEPO4 prismatic Batteries (CA40FI) will last. >> Can anyone advise me here? >> Other than my concern about LiFEPO4 battery lifetimes this looks like the >> best option. >> It's just a little more expensive than I'd like. > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18
>On 6/11/2015 3:00 PM, David Miller via EV wrote: >> Everyone, >>One of our Rav4EV News Group guys converted his Rav4 to Lithium for ~$7.5 >> total. $5k for >> 95 batteries and $2.5k for the BMS. His conversion adds j1772 charging >> capability as well. He >> gets a 90 mile range and has sporty acceleration.I don't know how long >> his CALB 40AH >> LiFEPO4 prismatic Batteries (CA40FI) will last. I doubt he gets a 90 mile range. 12KWh/90 miles == 133Wh/mile. In a Rav4? Highly unlikely. -- Worlds only All Electric F-250 truck! http://john.casadelgato.com/Electric-Vehicles/1995-Ford-F-250 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?
I recall seeing a few seat covers over the past couple of decades that used the 12v plug in the do both heating and cooling. most were less than $250, if I recall. -Tom On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > So, I can imagine all sorts of ways that one might run air conditioning in > an electric vehicle, but I'm sure others have actually tried and done > different ways and likely figured out the best general approach. > > Any of those others reading these words and care to point me in a good > direction? > > This'll be starting from scratch in a vehicle that never had air > conditioning in the first place but for which both factory and aftermarket > air conditioning systems are available that run off of a pulley on the ICE > engine. > > Thanks, > > b& > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass is merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/d336870a/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18
95 40ah cells is only 12kWh. Range will be minimal. I doubt the 40ah cells will last very long since you will be pulling at minimum 1C continuous. Al On 6/11/2015 3:00 PM, David Miller via EV wrote: Everyone, One of our Rav4EV News Group guys converted his Rav4 to Lithium for ~$7.5 total. $5k for 95 batteries and $2.5k for the BMS. His conversion adds j1772 charging capability as well. He gets a 90 mile range and has sporty acceleration. I don't know how long his CALB 40AH LiFEPO4 prismatic Batteries (CA40FI) will last. Can anyone advise me here? Other than my concern about LiFEPO4 battery lifetimes this looks like the best option. It's just a little more expensive than I'd like. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?
Hi Chris, There are a lot of products like that for general aviation. Very useful for taxiing on hot Tarmac. :) Cheers, Peter Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2015, at 21:35, Chris Tromley via EV wrote: > > If A/C demands aren't great, I've wondered if you could get away with a > cooler, some ice packs, some water to carry the "cold" and a circulation > pump to run the water through a tubing network installed in a seat cover. > I know it sounds crude, but that's how NASA cools astronauts. Almost all > the energy would come from the freezer that chills the ice packs. Could be > inconvenient, but if the car is for commuting, just throw ice packs in the > fridge at work. > > Chris >> On Jun 10, 2015 5:44 PM, "Ben Goren via EV" wrote: >> >> So, I can imagine all sorts of ways that one might run air conditioning in >> an electric vehicle, but I'm sure others have actually tried and done >> different ways and likely figured out the best general approach. >> >> Any of those others reading these words and care to point me in a good >> direction? >> >> This'll be starting from scratch in a vehicle that never had air >> conditioning in the first place but for which both factory and aftermarket >> air conditioning systems are available that run off of a pulley on the ICE >> engine. >> >> Thanks, >> >> b& >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/fbac298a/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] suggestions for buying a used leaf and fed tax credits expire in ?
On 11 Jun 2015 at 12:17, harry henderson via EV wrote: > does anyone know if the $7500 fed tax credits will expire? On no particular date as of now. However : "Purchasers of qualified vehicles can continue to claim the credit until the manufacturer has sold 200,000 qualified vehicles for use in the United States. Once a manufacturer´s U.S. sales reach 200,000 qualified vehicles, the Credit for all qualified vehicles produced by the manufacturer will begin to phase-out over a one year period." As of March, about 76,400 Nissan Leaves had been sold. Over 30,000 of those were in 2014. Assuming that sales continue at that rate, their tax credit should last 3-4 more years. That said, I expect that shifts in the US political landscape will also affect the EV tax credit. Potentially this could happen at any time, but it'd be more likely some time in 2017. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] suggestions for buying a used leaf and fed tax credits expire in ?
Harry, The 2013 Leaf is a good year to look for used as it is a good tradeoff between cost and features. It has improvements to the battery. Look for the specific model that has the charging and other features that will meet your needs. I keep looking at used Leafs. I need to get one before the truck I drive wears out. I need the truck to pull a few trailers about a dozen times a year. Hey, how is your motorcycle running, the one that looks like a Harley? Have a great day, Alan >As i enter my 10th year of using EVs to provide most of my transportation, i'm >thinking about upgrading to a commercially made EV. i would like to >pick >folks brains about what i should consider or watch out for if i'm buying a >used leaf. i'm thinking about a 2013 S model right now >Also, does anyone know if the $7500 fed tax credits will expire? if so when >and what is the likelihood of restarting >Harry ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?
single phase input, three phase output, > variable frequency drives (VFD) instead of building my own inverter > from scratch. Like a TECO: > http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/3-Phase-Motors/Variable-F<http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/3-Phase-Motors/Variable-F> > requency-Drives/1-HP-TECO-VFD-115-VAC-1PH-INPUT-3PH-OUTPUT-11-3424.axd > <http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/3-Phase-Motors/Variable<http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/3-Phase-Motors/Variable>- > Frequency-Drives/1-HP-TECO-VFD-115-VAC-1PH-INPUT-3PH-OUTPUT-11-3424.ax > d> > > Likely will run nicely from DC. Certainly cheap to try. > > Bill D. > > > > On 6/11/2015 6:35 AM, Chris Tromley via EV wrote: >> If A/C demands aren't great, I've wondered if you could get away with >> a cooler, some ice packs, some water to carry the "cold" and a >> circulation pump to run the water through a tubing network installed in a >> seat cover. >> I know it sounds crude, but that's how NASA cools astronauts. Almost >> all the energy would come from the freezer that chills the ice packs. >> Could be inconvenient, but if the car is for commuting, just throw >> ice packs in the fridge at work. >> >> Chris >> On Jun 10, 2015 5:44 PM, "Ben Goren via EV" >> mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org%3Cmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>>> >> wrote: >> >>> So, I can imagine all sorts of ways that one might run air >>> conditioning in an electric vehicle, but I'm sure others have >>> actually tried and done different ways and likely figured out the best >>> general approach. >>> >>> Any of those others reading these words and care to point me in a >>> good direction? >>> >>> This'll be starting from scratch in a vehicle that never had air >>> conditioning in the first place but for which both factory and >>> aftermarket air conditioning systems are available that run off of a >>> pulley on the ICE engine. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> b& >>> ___ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: >>> http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/in<http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/in> >>> dex.html#usub> >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org%3Chttp://lists.evdl.org> >>> /listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> For EV drag racing discussion, please use >>> NEDRA ( >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NE<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA%3Chttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NE> >>> DRA>) >>> >>> >> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/f<http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/f> >> bac298a/attachment.htm<http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/<http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/> >> attachments/20150611/fbac298a/attachment.htm>> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: >> http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/ind<http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/ind> >> ex.html#usub> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org/<http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org%3Chttp://lists.evdl.org/> >> listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> For EV drag racing discussion, please use >> NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NE<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA%3Chttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NE> >> DRA>) >> >> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/inde<http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/inde> > x.html#usub> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org/l<http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org%3Chttp://lists.evdl.org/l> > istinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> For EV drag racing discussion, please use > NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NED<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA%3Chttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NED> > RA>) > > -- next part --
Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?
Did realize the Prius was permanent magnet. The TECO VFD might not work at all driving a PM. :-( Other OEM EV compressors might not be PM. Residential HVAC compressors are definitely not PM, but they tend to be rather bulky. Bill D. On 6/11/2015 11:54 AM, Joe via EV wrote: Regarding an off-the-shelf VFD for a prius compressor, it would have to be one that can control permanent magnet synchronous motors with interior magnets. The TECO drive linked appears to only work in sensorless mode for induction motors. Open loop V/f would probably make a prius compressor spin, but probably not very efficiently or effectively at high power. Also, I've measured up to 1500W (2 HP) drawn by the prius compressor on a 100F day with the fan on high, so the drive would have to be sized accordingly. Looks like the 2 and 3 HP versions of the TECO drive aren't much more expensive, though. One of those drives might work with a residential hvac compressor. Also, I forgot about masterflux drives and compressors. They're expensive, but I think they work well based on some posts on diyelectriccar. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: "Hacking" some OEM EV air conditionaing, like from a Prius, is likely the best option. There are also inverter driven (VFD) home compressors that would likely work as well, but aren't as rugged as the OEM EV air conditioning compressors. I would investigate small, single phase input, three phase output, variable frequency drives (VFD) instead of building my own inverter from scratch. Like a TECO: http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/3-Phase-Motors/Variable-Frequency-Drives/1-HP-TECO-VFD-115-VAC-1PH-INPUT-3PH-OUTPUT-11-3424.axd Likely will run nicely from DC. Certainly cheap to try. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/facd19a7/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?
g, just throw >> ice packs in the fridge at work. >> >> Chris >> On Jun 10, 2015 5:44 PM, "Ben Goren via EV" >> mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>> wrote: >> >>> So, I can imagine all sorts of ways that one might run air >>> conditioning in an electric vehicle, but I'm sure others have >>> actually tried and done different ways and likely figured out the best >>> general approach. >>> >>> Any of those others reading these words and care to point me in a >>> good direction? >>> >>> This'll be starting from scratch in a vehicle that never had air >>> conditioning in the first place but for which both factory and >>> aftermarket air conditioning systems are available that run off of a >>> pulley on the ICE engine. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> b& >>> ___ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: >>> http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/in >>> dex.html#usub> >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org >>> /listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> For EV drag racing discussion, please use >>> NEDRA ( >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NE >>> DRA>) >>> >>> >> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/f >> bac298a/attachment.htm<http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ >> attachments/20150611/fbac298a/attachment.htm>> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: >> http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/ind >> ex.html#usub> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org/ >> listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> For EV drag racing discussion, please use >> NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NE >> DRA>) >> >> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/inde > x.html#usub> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org/l > istinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> For EV drag racing discussion, please use > NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NED > RA>) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/1e > fe84be/attachment.htm> ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/01295169/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] suggestions for buying a used leaf and fed tax credits expire in ?
right i know you can not use the fed tax credit on a used care, i had two two separate questions i should have made that clearer harry Albuquerque, NM current bike: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1179 current non-bike: http://evalbum.com/1000 On Thu, 6/11/15, Ben Goren wrote: Subject: Re: [EVDL] suggestions for buying a used leaf and fed tax credits expire in ? To: "harry henderson" , "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Date: Thursday, June 11, 2015, 2:35 PM On Jun 11, 2015, at 12:17 PM, harry henderson via EV wrote: > i'm thinking about a 2013 S model right now > > also, does anyone know if the $7500 fed tax credits will expire? The tax credit only applies to the initial purchase of a new vehicle from a dealer. On the other hand...you can get like-new 2013 Leafs for $13K cash on the barrelhead, as my parents just did a couple weeks ago. b& ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] suggestions for buying a used leaf and fed tax credits expire in ?
On Jun 11, 2015, at 12:17 PM, harry henderson via EV wrote: > i'm thinking about a 2013 S model right now > > also, does anyone know if the $7500 fed tax credits will expire? The tax credit only applies to the initial purchase of a new vehicle from a dealer. On the other hand...you can get like-new 2013 Leafs for $13K cash on the barrelhead, as my parents just did a couple weeks ago. b& -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/7df023cb/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?
;> Thanks, >>> >>> b& >>> ___ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: >>> http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> >>> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA>) >>> >>> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/fbac298a/attachment.htm<http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/fbac298a/attachment.htm>> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: >> http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA>) >> >> > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: > http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA>) > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/1efe84be/attachment.htm> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/01295169/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?
t; > b& > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/fa0c1179/attachment.pgp> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] suggestions for buying a used leaf and fed tax credits expire in ?
as i enter my 10th year of using EVs to provide most of my transportation, i'm thinking about upgrading to a commercially made EV. i would like to pick folks brains about what i should consider or watch out for if i'm buying a used leaf. i'm thinking about a 2013 S model right now also, does anyone know if the $7500 fed tax credits will expire? if so when and what is the likelihood of restarting harry Albuquerque, NM current bike: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1179 current non-bike: http://evalbum.com/1000 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18
Thanks for the amazing input everyone! Bruce, Thanks for all the leads! You're right, I'm not that Toyota guy. Cor, The long cycle times I mention are for reconditioning individual cells one at a time with a SuperBrain989. Slow discharge/slow overcharge cycles, not ordinary charge cycles. Worst case scenario. That is why the time is so long. Again, ~$1k worth of Lee Hart's electronics could do the job 100 times faster and better than a "SuperBrain989". But I'd need a spare set of batteries to keep my car driving. I am leaning toward this solution. But I need some good cheap spares. BatteryM.D. does this reconditioning for ~$8.8k. They swap your "core" battery pack out for a reconditioned one. So fast service! The reconditioning happens on their time. You end up with ~85 mile range. Everyone, One of our Rav4EV News Group guys converted his Rav4 to Lithium for ~$7.5 total. $5k for 95 batteries and $2.5k for the BMS. His conversion adds j1772 charging capability as well. He gets a 90 mile range and has sporty acceleration. I don't know how long his CALB 40AH LiFEPO4 prismatic Batteries (CA40FI) will last. Can anyone advise me here? Other than my concern about LiFEPO4 battery lifetimes this looks like the best option. It's just a little more expensive than I'd like. I have not heard back from all of my manufacturer inquiries for NiMH. The Panasonic EV-95s retailed for $250 when they were new. If available today the 24 pack would cost $6k and the range should be ~120 miles. Still seems expensive. It looks like some exist out there. I will update to the news group when and if I do find a manufacturer. Thanks everyone! -David Miller -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/6f7f3806/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?
Regarding an off-the-shelf VFD for a prius compressor, it would have to be one that can control permanent magnet synchronous motors with interior magnets. The TECO drive linked appears to only work in sensorless mode for induction motors. Open loop V/f would probably make a prius compressor spin, but probably not very efficiently or effectively at high power. Also, I've measured up to 1500W (2 HP) drawn by the prius compressor on a 100F day with the fan on high, so the drive would have to be sized accordingly. Looks like the 2 and 3 HP versions of the TECO drive aren't much more expensive, though. One of those drives might work with a residential hvac compressor. Also, I forgot about masterflux drives and compressors. They're expensive, but I think they work well based on some posts on diyelectriccar. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:03 AM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > > "Hacking" some OEM EV air conditionaing, like from a Prius, is likely the > best option. There are also inverter driven (VFD) home compressors that > would likely work as well, but aren't as rugged as the OEM EV air > conditioning compressors. > > I would investigate small, single phase input, three phase output, > variable frequency drives (VFD) instead of building my own inverter from > scratch. Like a TECO: > > http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/3-Phase-Motors/Variable-Frequency-Drives/1-HP-TECO-VFD-115-VAC-1PH-INPUT-3PH-OUTPUT-11-3424.axd > Likely will run nicely from DC. Certainly cheap to try. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/facd19a7/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?
One more thing to add to the A/C driving off the motor pilot shaft. I do not use battery power to drive the motor at the same time the A/C comes on or even when the electric heaters come on. How do I do this? This is how: A A/C or electric heater does not run all the time. In a A/C system there is a High Pressure and Low Pressure Switches. In a heater there are also high temperature limit switches. The on dash switch controls a A/C relay which is also control by the high and low pressure switches. Even if you turn on the dash A/C switch, the A/C pump may not engaged because the pressure may be up and the low pressure switch is not turn on which controls the A/C pump electric clutch. Only the blower fans come on when you turn on the A/C or Heater control switches. So as to prevent either the heater or A/C to operate, I install or use a limit switch that comes with the Curtis 5K accelerator control. The dash A/C and or Heater control circuit is control by this limit switch. When I depress the accelerator pedal, the limit switch turns off the A/C or Heater control circuits and when I let up on the accelerator, it turns these circuits back on. In the A/C system, many times it does not effect the A/C cooling, because the A/C pump may be up to pressure and the clutch is disengaged anyway. So far since installing this control system in 1980, I never had these units run by the main battery power, except for testing only. Roland - Original Message - From: Bill Dube via EV<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> To: Chris Tromley<mailto:ctrom...@gmail.com> ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List<mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning? You would need a lot of ice, hundreds of pounds, to provide the refrigeration needed. 12,000 BTU/hr is the rating of a typical car air conditioning unit. This is literally equivalent to one ton (2000 lbs) of ice per day. "Hacking" some OEM EV air conditionaing, like from a Prius, is likely the best option. There are also inverter driven (VFD) home compressors that would likely work as well, but aren't as rugged as the OEM EV air conditioning compressors. I would investigate small, single phase input, three phase output, variable frequency drives (VFD) instead of building my own inverter from scratch. Like a TECO: http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/3-Phase-Motors/Variable-Frequency-Drives/1-HP-TECO-VFD-115-VAC-1PH-INPUT-3PH-OUTPUT-11-3424.axd<http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/3-Phase-Motors/Variable-Frequency-Drives/1-HP-TECO-VFD-115-VAC-1PH-INPUT-3PH-OUTPUT-11-3424.axd> Likely will run nicely from DC. Certainly cheap to try. Bill D. On 6/11/2015 6:35 AM, Chris Tromley via EV wrote: > If A/C demands aren't great, I've wondered if you could get away with a > cooler, some ice packs, some water to carry the "cold" and a circulation > pump to run the water through a tubing network installed in a seat cover. > I know it sounds crude, but that's how NASA cools astronauts. Almost all > the energy would come from the freezer that chills the ice packs. Could be > inconvenient, but if the car is for commuting, just throw ice packs in the > fridge at work. > > Chris > On Jun 10, 2015 5:44 PM, "Ben Goren via EV" > mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org>> wrote: > >> So, I can imagine all sorts of ways that one might run air conditioning in >> an electric vehicle, but I'm sure others have actually tried and done >> different ways and likely figured out the best general approach. >> >> Any of those others reading these words and care to point me in a good >> direction? >> >> This'll be starting from scratch in a vehicle that never had air >> conditioning in the first place but for which both factory and aftermarket >> air conditioning systems are available that run off of a pulley on the ICE >> engine. >> >> Thanks, >> >> b& >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: >> http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub<http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub> >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org<http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org> >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA>) >> >> > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/fbac298a/attachment.htm<http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/fbac298a/attachment.htm>> > ___ >
Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?
You would need a lot of ice, hundreds of pounds, to provide the refrigeration needed. 12,000 BTU/hr is the rating of a typical car air conditioning unit. This is literally equivalent to one ton (2000 lbs) of ice per day. "Hacking" some OEM EV air conditionaing, like from a Prius, is likely the best option. There are also inverter driven (VFD) home compressors that would likely work as well, but aren't as rugged as the OEM EV air conditioning compressors. I would investigate small, single phase input, three phase output, variable frequency drives (VFD) instead of building my own inverter from scratch. Like a TECO: http://www.surpluscenter.com/Electric-Motors/3-Phase-Motors/Variable-Frequency-Drives/1-HP-TECO-VFD-115-VAC-1PH-INPUT-3PH-OUTPUT-11-3424.axd Likely will run nicely from DC. Certainly cheap to try. Bill D. On 6/11/2015 6:35 AM, Chris Tromley via EV wrote: If A/C demands aren't great, I've wondered if you could get away with a cooler, some ice packs, some water to carry the "cold" and a circulation pump to run the water through a tubing network installed in a seat cover. I know it sounds crude, but that's how NASA cools astronauts. Almost all the energy would come from the freezer that chills the ice packs. Could be inconvenient, but if the car is for commuting, just throw ice packs in the fridge at work. Chris On Jun 10, 2015 5:44 PM, "Ben Goren via EV" wrote: So, I can imagine all sorts of ways that one might run air conditioning in an electric vehicle, but I'm sure others have actually tried and done different ways and likely figured out the best general approach. Any of those others reading these words and care to point me in a good direction? This'll be starting from scratch in a vehicle that never had air conditioning in the first place but for which both factory and aftermarket air conditioning systems are available that run off of a pulley on the ICE engine. Thanks, b& ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/fbac298a/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] DIY EV air conditioning?
If A/C demands aren't great, I've wondered if you could get away with a cooler, some ice packs, some water to carry the "cold" and a circulation pump to run the water through a tubing network installed in a seat cover. I know it sounds crude, but that's how NASA cools astronauts. Almost all the energy would come from the freezer that chills the ice packs. Could be inconvenient, but if the car is for commuting, just throw ice packs in the fridge at work. Chris On Jun 10, 2015 5:44 PM, "Ben Goren via EV" wrote: > So, I can imagine all sorts of ways that one might run air conditioning in > an electric vehicle, but I'm sure others have actually tried and done > different ways and likely figured out the best general approach. > > Any of those others reading these words and care to point me in a good > direction? > > This'll be starting from scratch in a vehicle that never had air > conditioning in the first place but for which both factory and aftermarket > air conditioning systems are available that run off of a pulley on the ICE > engine. > > Thanks, > > b& > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/fbac298a/attachment.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] $34k 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf EV review r:83mi ? c:209hrs@L1 ?
On 11 Jun 2015 at 3:18, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > ? "It would take about 209 hours to charge the car fully from a standard > 120v outlet" ? This has been corrected to "20 hours" in the linked article. Maybe the reviewer's finger slipped when typing the zero. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] $34k 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf EV review r:83mi ? c:209hrs@L1 ?
That's a typo. 20.9 hours Sent from my iPad > On Jun 11, 2015, at 5:18 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > ? "It would take about 209 hours to charge the car fully from a standard > 120v outlet" ? > > http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/mark-phelan/2015/06/04/vw-volkswagen-golf-electric-review-ev-egolf/28322657/ > Review: Electric 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf > By Mark Phelan June 4, 2015 > > [images / Volkswagen > http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/6a305daf7133e85147b5e1526d2781181929d3d7/c=0-47-798-647&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115166736051-2015-vw-e-golf-01.jpg > 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf > > http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/452aacb0b068ea9882fe1daadd25d8418978db1c/c=47-0-757-534&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115166892054-2015-vw-e-golf-02.jpg > > http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/d7bf4f0ebc6381a002910ffd411f4b8c7a89bda5/c=65-0-774-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115167516066-2015-vw-e-golf-04.jpg > > http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c75efb58c1249076bea1bc6481805f586d710430/c=46-0-755-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115167516066-2015-vw-e-golf-06.jpg > > http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c75efb58c1249076bea1bc6481805f586d710430/c=46-0-755-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115168608087-2015-vw-e-golf-07.jpg > > http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c75efb58c1249076bea1bc6481805f586d710430/c=46-0-755-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115168608087-2015-vw-e-golf-08.jpg > > http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/a1c118c067a4537d22cc21fe97ed16c1b36a8774/c=2-0-711-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115168764090-2015-vw-e-golf-09.jpg > > http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/3b7b6f35dc8072a2a3bc8a24b1a07c3d0ff2b31b/c=3-0-797-597&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115168608087-2015-vw-e-golf-11.jpg > > http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c75efb58c1249076bea1bc6481805f586d710430/c=46-0-755-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115176252234-2015-vw-e-golf-12.jpg > ] > > Story Highlights > >EPA: 83-mile range on a charge >Prices start at $33,450 >Poor audio for hands free phone calls > > The … 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf is a stealth electric car, an alternate-energy > wolf in the sheep's clothing of an unassuming compact hatchback. > > Despite boasting near-silent operation, a useful range of 83 miles on a > charge, the e-Golf rolls alon virtually unnoticed thanks to exterior styling > that does little to telegraph its advanced powertrain. > > The e-Golf competes with other compact and smaller electric cars like the > BMW i3, Mitsubishi i-MiEV and Nissan Leaf, and electric versions of the > Chevrolet Spark Fiat 500, Ford Focus, Kia Soul EV and Mercedes B-class. The > Honda Fit EV would be a competitor, but Honda has not introduced an electric > version of the new Fit that went on sale last year. > > Extended-range [pih] cars like the BMW [i3-rex] extended, Cadillac ELR and > Chevrolet Volt don't compete directly with those cars because their on-board > generators give them much longer ranges. > > In the auto industry, cars like the e-Golf, which have big batteries but > lack the ability to make more electricity, are often called BEVs, for > battery-electric vehicles. > > Unlike the spacey looking i3, most BEVs look a lot like the conventional car > they're based on. The e-Golf makes very successful use of VW's new compact > car architecture, offering ride, handling and accommodations that are nearly > indistinguishable from the conventional Golf. > > Prices for the e-Golf start at $33,450. The base model is quite well > equipped, coming with navigation, Bluetooth audio and phone compatibility, > voice recognition, a backup camera and heated front seats. I tested an SEL > Premium model that added features including cruise control, LED headlights, > a leather-wrapped steering wheel, 16-inch wheels and faux leather > upholstery. It stickered at $35,445. All prices exclude destination charges. > > The e-Golf's price is at the high end among its most direct competitors, > cars like the Focus, Leaf and Soul. EVs like the Spark, 500 and i-MiEV are > so much smaller than the Golf that they're competitors only in the sense > that they all run on battery power. > > Like most BEVs, the e-Golf has an electric motor and a single-speed > transmission. The motor generates 115 hp and 199 pound-feet of torque. The > torque is available from a standstill, delivering the smooth, confident > acceleration that's a hallmark of electric vehicles. > > The EPA rated the e-Golf's range on a charge at 83 miles. That's roughly in > the middle of its class, beating the Focus, trailing t
[EVDL] $34k 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf EV review r:83mi ? c:209hrs@L1 ?
? "It would take about 209 hours to charge the car fully from a standard 120v outlet" ? http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/mark-phelan/2015/06/04/vw-volkswagen-golf-electric-review-ev-egolf/28322657/ Review: Electric 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf By Mark Phelan June 4, 2015 [images / Volkswagen http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/6a305daf7133e85147b5e1526d2781181929d3d7/c=0-47-798-647&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115166736051-2015-vw-e-golf-01.jpg 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/452aacb0b068ea9882fe1daadd25d8418978db1c/c=47-0-757-534&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115166892054-2015-vw-e-golf-02.jpg http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/d7bf4f0ebc6381a002910ffd411f4b8c7a89bda5/c=65-0-774-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115167516066-2015-vw-e-golf-04.jpg http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c75efb58c1249076bea1bc6481805f586d710430/c=46-0-755-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115167516066-2015-vw-e-golf-06.jpg http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c75efb58c1249076bea1bc6481805f586d710430/c=46-0-755-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115168608087-2015-vw-e-golf-07.jpg http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c75efb58c1249076bea1bc6481805f586d710430/c=46-0-755-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115168608087-2015-vw-e-golf-08.jpg http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/a1c118c067a4537d22cc21fe97ed16c1b36a8774/c=2-0-711-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115168764090-2015-vw-e-golf-09.jpg http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/3b7b6f35dc8072a2a3bc8a24b1a07c3d0ff2b31b/c=3-0-797-597&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115168608087-2015-vw-e-golf-11.jpg http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c75efb58c1249076bea1bc6481805f586d710430/c=46-0-755-533&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/05/30/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635686115176252234-2015-vw-e-golf-12.jpg ] Story Highlights EPA: 83-mile range on a charge Prices start at $33,450 Poor audio for hands free phone calls The … 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf is a stealth electric car, an alternate-energy wolf in the sheep's clothing of an unassuming compact hatchback. Despite boasting near-silent operation, a useful range of 83 miles on a charge, the e-Golf rolls alon virtually unnoticed thanks to exterior styling that does little to telegraph its advanced powertrain. The e-Golf competes with other compact and smaller electric cars like the BMW i3, Mitsubishi i-MiEV and Nissan Leaf, and electric versions of the Chevrolet Spark Fiat 500, Ford Focus, Kia Soul EV and Mercedes B-class. The Honda Fit EV would be a competitor, but Honda has not introduced an electric version of the new Fit that went on sale last year. Extended-range [pih] cars like the BMW [i3-rex] extended, Cadillac ELR and Chevrolet Volt don't compete directly with those cars because their on-board generators give them much longer ranges. In the auto industry, cars like the e-Golf, which have big batteries but lack the ability to make more electricity, are often called BEVs, for battery-electric vehicles. Unlike the spacey looking i3, most BEVs look a lot like the conventional car they're based on. The e-Golf makes very successful use of VW's new compact car architecture, offering ride, handling and accommodations that are nearly indistinguishable from the conventional Golf. Prices for the e-Golf start at $33,450. The base model is quite well equipped, coming with navigation, Bluetooth audio and phone compatibility, voice recognition, a backup camera and heated front seats. I tested an SEL Premium model that added features including cruise control, LED headlights, a leather-wrapped steering wheel, 16-inch wheels and faux leather upholstery. It stickered at $35,445. All prices exclude destination charges. The e-Golf's price is at the high end among its most direct competitors, cars like the Focus, Leaf and Soul. EVs like the Spark, 500 and i-MiEV are so much smaller than the Golf that they're competitors only in the sense that they all run on battery power. Like most BEVs, the e-Golf has an electric motor and a single-speed transmission. The motor generates 115 hp and 199 pound-feet of torque. The torque is available from a standstill, delivering the smooth, confident acceleration that's a hallmark of electric vehicles. The EPA rated the e-Golf's range on a charge at 83 miles. That's roughly in the middle of its class, beating the Focus, trailing the Leaf and Soul and effectively tying most of the others. It takes about four hours to fully charge the e-Golf with a 240v outlet. It would take about 209 hours to charge the car fully from a standard 120v outlet, but anybody who's considering an electric car sho
[EVDL] EVLN: Best virtual Terrible-Twizy-Race-App driver.at wins the EV
https://transportevolved.com/2015/06/03/renault-launches-terrible-twizy-smartphone-race-app-in-austria-offers-real-life-twizy-electric-car-to-best-virtual-driver/ Renault Launches Terrible Twizy Smartphone Race App in Austria, Offers Real-Life Twizy Electric Car to Best Virtual Driver By Ben Nelson • June 3, 2015 [images https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Renault-Twizy-e1433326024659-580x545.jpg Our former staff fleet car Twizy taught us how fun this little car could be https://transportevolved.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Twizy-Racing-App2-580x320.jpg Live in Austria, survive the terrible graphics, and you could win a Twizy ] Without a shadow of a doubt, the Renault Twizy is a car that everyone should drive at least once in their life. Just 91 inches long, 47 inches wide and 57 inches high and weighing just 992 pounds, the tiny two-seat urban runabout might look more like a funfair bumper car than it does a road-legal vehicle, but strap yourself into its four-point seatbelt, release its hand-operated parking brake, and you’ll quickly find why so many people — including racing legend Sir Stirling Moss — love the Twizy so much. Despite its tiny dimensions, the Twizy 80 — the most powerful version of the two-seater with a 13 kilowatt rear-wheel electric drivetrain — is limited to a top speed of just 52 mph, yet its Renault Motorsport-tuned chassis can wind through most corners at the kind of speeds only possible on a motorcycle. Responsive, direct in its steering and quick to stop, the tiny Twizy is guaranteed to put a smile on your face. Naturally, not everyone can get access to a Twizy, but if you happen to Live in Austria, you can do so virtually thanks to a new smartphone app recently launched by Renault Austria. Called the Renault Racing Cup 2015, those who download the app are given a chance to race the all-electric quadricycle around 9 different Austrian provinces in a range of different guises, from the basic yet functional doorless Twizy through to the Twizy Cargo and of course, the crazy, Formula 1-inspired Twizy RenaultSport F1 concept car — which packs a race-bred KERS system to give a top speed of 68 mph. So far, so good. But having looked at the video of the app above — and reading some of the reviews of the app left by early downloaders — we’ve got to say that the Renault Racing Cup 2015 isn’t all that. Sadly, the graphics are blocky, the gameplay supposedly buggy, and the physics engine more than a tad unrealistic. But we should note however that the game isn’t designed to be the next iRacing, Forza or even Need for Speed. In fact, we think that old gamer classic Midtown Madness (we’re talking the first generation here) probably has better graphics and physics realism than Renault’s iOS and Android game. Instead, it’s the latest in a long line of social-media ad campaigns designed to get people talking about Renault’s diminutive plug-in car. We think that old gamer classic Midtown Madness (we’re talking the first generation here) probably has better graphics and physics realism than Renault’s iOS and Android game. Promoted heavily on social media sites like Twitter, Fac ebook and Google Plus, this less-than-realistic app is the front to a competition being run by Renault Austria in which one lucky person will win a real Renault Twizy. The competition, which started on Monday and runs until the end of July, promises to reward the virtual racer with the best time posted by the end of July with a real Renault Twizy. Sadly, the car on offer won’t be the race-going Twizy RenaultSport F1 Concept Car, but for Renault’s target Twizy audience — young, social media-savvy adults who are looking for their first car — we think winning a Twizy of any sort will be a big deal. Were we eligible — which we’re not on account of not being a resident of Austria as well as our own internal ethics stepping in to prevent any conflict of interests — we’d certainly forgive the 1990s gameplay if we thought we could win a car at the end of it. Of course, this isn’t the first time Renault has turned to the digital realm to promote its two-seat electric runabout. Back in 2012, Renault cut a deal with EA Games to offer residents of Sims 3 the chance to own a tiny Renault Twizy on their tiny, computer-generated driveways. Then, more recently, a UK-based ad company devised an ad campaign in which a Twizy was given to a blogger to drive until such point as they ceased posting about it on social media networks — at which point the car would run ‘out of charge’ and it would be passed onto the next person. [© transportevolved.com] http://internationalfleetworld.co.uk/news/2015/Jun/Renault-Twizys-go-live-on-Bluecub-car-share-fleet/0444020128 20of110 Bluecub car share fleet Twizys go live covering Bordeaux.fr http://media.comcar.co.uk/article/2015/Jun/image/0434020128-6532-Screen_shot_2015_06_03_at_13_01_56_png-320.jpg 03 Jun 2015 For EVLN posts use: http://evdl.org/evln/ http:/
[EVDL] EVLN: PBS “This Old House” Installs An EVSE
% EVsOnTVs % http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098583_installing-an-electric-car-charging-station-this-old-house-shows-you-how Installing An Electric-Car Charging Station: This Old House Shows You How By Stephen Edelstein Jun 4, 2015 ht2 Chris Neff [video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aACxSL2rBMk Sneak Peek: Electric Vehicle Charging Station This Old House May 19, 2015 Electrician Scott Caron walks a homeowner through the options in at-home electric vehicle chargers. Watch the full episode: http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/tv/ask-toh/video/0,,20924450,00.html ] For most owners of battery-electric cars, some form of home charging is a must. Having a charging station at home ensures there will always be a readily available place to plug in. And surveys of owners have shown that home charging is often all that is needed for routine driving, with public charging stations rarely or never used by some plug-in drivers. That just leaves the matter of actually installing a home charging station. And now the well-known home-improvement show This Old House has tackled the job, with a new video that shows exactly how it is done. You can see a preview of the episode above. The full episode is available on the show's website. [image] 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf Limited Edition The installation was done for the driver of a Volkswagen e-Golf, who lives in a house that was split into three units. The car is parked in a driveway next to the building, so the charging station--a 240-volt Level 2 unit from Clipper Creek--was mounted outside to one of the house's walls. Installing the station involved running an 8-gauge, dual-conductor wire between the mounting point and the circuit breaker for the owner's unit. An individual breaker was added for the station, and a service switch was installed at the station itself to provide a cutoff point from the house's electrical system. It all appears fairly straightforward in the video. After the wire was run and the connections were made, the VW was plugged in and began to charge immediately. There are quite a few different Level 2 charging stations available for home installation these days. Some can even be purchased from hardware chains like Home Depot. [image] Volkswagen e-Golf - 2013 Frankfurt Motor Show But if you live in anything other than your own house, actually getting permission to install a charging station can still be difficult. Electric-car drivers living in condos sometimes have to contend with suspicious home-owner associations, which may fear the cost of electricity or maintenance will be passed on by one electric-car driver to other residents. The situation for renters can also be somewhat ambiguous. California now requires property owners to allow the installation of charging stations by renters, but in other states, electric car-owning tenants do not have the same legal leverage. [© greencarreports.com] ... http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098401_electric-car-charging-the-basics-you-need-to-know Electric Car Charging: The Basics You Need To Know ... http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1090540_home-owner-associations-electric-cars-how-to-make-it-work-advice-from-a-pro In CA, Renters Can Now Install Electric-Car Charging Stations (Aug 2014) ... http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1094117_in-ca-renters-can-now-install-electric-car-charging-stations Home Owner Associations & Electric Cars: How To Make It Work (Advice From A Pro) (Feb 2014) http://gas2.org/2015/06/04/this-old-house-installs-an-ev-charger/ “This Old House” Installs An EV Charger June 4th, 2015 by Christopher DeMorro Growing up the son of a contractor, there were two constants in my life; a never-ending series of home improvement projects, and watching reruns of “This Old House”. While Bob Vila hasn’t produced a new episode of “This Old House” in over 25 years, the show is still going strong online, where it has adapted to questions of modern convenience, like how to install a home EV charger. You can check out the teaser above, though you have to go to the This Old House website [ http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/tv/ask-toh/video/0,,20924450,00.html ] to watch the entire episode. While I don’t doubt that many homeowners simply opt to pay a professional to install their home EV charger, a person with minimal electrical experience should find it a fairly straightforward process. Then again, I may be taking for granted the fact that I’ve been doing all sorts of home improvement-type work with my father for nearly 20 years (I was put to work at the tender age of 10, child labor laws be damned). Doing the work yourself saves about $500 or so in labor cost, which buys a whole lotta electricity. With Level 2 chargers coming down dramatically in price and available for as little as $450 straight from the manufacturer, EV charging stations are bound to become a growing selling point for new homes. States like California are even mandating that all new homes must be “EV ready”
[EVDL] EVLN: Boston-MA WiTricity wireless EVSE backed by Toyota & Intel
http://www.expressnews.com/business/technology/article/Firm-leads-the-charge-for-cars-to-pull-the-plug-6310411.php Firm leads the charge for cars to pull the plug By David R. Baker, Houston Chronicle June 5, 2015 [images / WiTricity http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/36/72/74/8105760/7/920x920.jpg Honda uses WiTricity’s wireless charging technology with a Fit EV at the company’s demonstration “Smart Home” in Saitama, Japan http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/36/72/74/8105761/7/1024x1024.jpg WiTricity’s technology uses an oscillating magnetic field to recharge the batteries of electric cars or plug-in hybrids http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/36/72/74/8105762/7/1024x1024.jpg WiTricity's technology means no plugging is required to recharge electric and hybrid cars http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/36/72/74/8105763/7/1024x1024.jpg WiTricity CEO Alex Gruzen argues that wireless recharging soon will become the norm, for personal electronics, medical devices, and yes, cars ] Someday soon, plug-in cars may no longer need plugging in. Electric cars and plug-in hybrids won’t recharge their batteries through a bulky cord. Instead, a small pad placed on the garage floor — or maybe embedded in it — will transmit energy to a receiver on the car’s undercarriage, no wires needed. Just drive over the pad, park and forget about it. That’s the vision of WiTricity, a Boston-area startup backed by Toyota and Intel. WiTricity’s technology resembles the cordless charging pads already available for smartphones and tablets, but it can transmit more power over greater distance. Spun out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 2007, WiTricity isn’t the only company chasing this particular vision, with Qualcomm, Bosch and Evatran rolling out their own versions. WiTricity CEO Alex Gruzen argues that wireless recharging soon will become the norm, for personal electronics, medical devices, and yes, cars. The power cord’s days may be numbered. “I’ll have it in my kitchen counter, my bedside table, probably my coffee table,” Gruzen said. “And throughout my day, I’ll be casually topping off my devices with this quick ‘energy snacking.’ The same thing will happen in the automotive space, because when you park, it’ll just charge, and you won’t be thinking about it.” Toyota was an early investor in the company, which has raised $45 million to date. The world’s largest automaker plans to offer WiTricity’s wireless charging technology as an option on its plug-in hybrid Prius, Gruzen said. A Toyota spokeswoman declined to confirm any specific plans to outfit the Prius with WiTricity’s gear. But the automaker announced a licensing agreement with WiTricity in 2013 and has field-tested the equipment. Honda uses WiTricity to recharge a Fit EV at one of the auto company’s showcase “smart homes” near Tokyo. And several of the world’s largest auto-industry suppliers, including Delphi Corp. and IHI Corp., have licensed WiTricity’s technology. Granted, consumers still are getting used to electric cars, with sales growing slowly at a time of low gasoline prices. Wireless charging would add another layer of novelty to a type of car that many Americans consider untested. But the concept’s simplicity could win converts. A study last year by the Navigant Research consulting firm concluded that annual sales of wireless electric car charging stations could reach nearly 302,000 by 2022. “Although some in the industry remain unconvinced that wireless charging will ever be more than a small niche market, it’s clear that major automakers have concluded that this technology could be a differentiator in a crowded EV market,” Richard Martin, Navigant’s editorial director, said at the time. “Features once considered luxury items, such as power windows and automatic garage door openers, tend to spread, over time, across all vehicle segments — and that is likely to apply to wireless charging, as well.” WiTricity’s technology uses a wire coil in its pad to create an oscillating magnetic field. That field generates an electric current in a receiving coil that either sits on the undercarriage of a car or is built into a phone or other portable device. “It’s like the opera singer hitting a note and shattering a glass,” Gruzen said. “When you think about it, she’s moving energy over distance.” The last generation of electric car — General Motors’ EV1 — used something similar, with a recharging “paddle” that had to be inserted into a slot between the headlights. But WiTricity doesn’t need such close, precise placement between the energy transmitter and receiver. Just parking over the transmitter will do. While the car is elsewhere, the transmitter remains off. Magnetic fields travel through materials, so Gruzen argues the technology could be better suited to public EV charging than the current crop of plug-in chargers. WiTricity’s transmitting coil can still function if it’s covered in concrete — safe from weather, vandalism and copper thieves. Gruzen says the switch to wi
Re: [EVDL] RAV4-EV-gen1 pack replacement seeks Large Format NiMH Batteries
Hi Bruce and All, Looking on Ebay there is at least a EV-1 NiMH battery for sale now.Though with the advantages in power, range of lithium, I'd switch any NiMH EV or better lead ones that isn't historical/collectable. Jerry Dycus -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150611/80c0f1ad/attachment-0001.htm> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
