[EVDL] Design News: Tesla's Elon Musk and Fiat's Sergio Marchionne Have a Lot in Common
https://www.designnews.com/electronics-test/op-ed-elon-musk-and-sergio-marchionne-have-lot-common/51044819658824 - Tesla CEO Elon Musk is learning what Fiat's Sergio Marchionne already knew: Squeezing profit from an entry-level electric vehicle is a monumental task that requires a great deal of patience. --- [Photo] Last week, Elon Musk (right) tweeted that shipping $35,000 versions of the Model 3 right now would cause Tesla to “lose money & die.” (Image source: Wikipedia/ By Steve Jurvetson). In 2014, FCA chairman Sergio Marchionne (right) said about his Fiat 500e: “I hope you don’t buy it because every time I sell one, it costs me $14,000.” (Image source: Wikipedia/from Dgtmedia) Many lessons can be learned from Elon Musk’s recent tweets about the trials and tribulations of the Model 3 electric car, but the main one is this: Musk and Sergio Marchionne have a lot in common. Musk’s most revealing tweet occurred last week, when he said that shipping $35,000 versions of the “affordable” Model 3 right now would cause Tesla to “lose money & die.” He added that he needs three to six months after reaching production levels of 3,000 to 5,000 cars a week, just for Tesla to stay alive. As if those words weren’t shocking enough, Musk also announced that Tesla has hatched a plan to market a souped-up, $78,000 version of the Model 3. The underlying plan is for Tesla to sell higher-priced versions of the Model 3 until it can make ends meet with the $35,000 models. This would be accomplished by boosting performance and adding such features as bigger battery packs, automated driving capabilities, glitzy wheels, and colors other than black. Only after that could the company begin delivering lower-cost versions to the 400,000-plus customers who have plunked down $1,000 deposits over the past few years. Not surprisingly, Musk’s tweets weren’t met with a lot of happiness—even among the media that has helped hype the company for the past decade. In a typical headline, the Los Angeles Times called the Model 3 unaffordable for the masses. Similarly, US News & World Report ran a story saying that Tesla lost $14,000 on each of the Model 3s it delivered (based on an average sales price of $54,000) in the first quarter of 2018. The Old Reality In essence, Musk’s comments aren’t much different from those of Sergio Marchionne, the plain-spoken chairman and CEO of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA). In 2014, Marchionne made this blunt statement about the little Fiat 500e electric car: "I hope you don't buy it because every time I sell one, it costs me $14,000." Marchionne was, of course, heavily criticized for his comment. But the criticism seldom mentioned the fact that Marchionne recognized the inevitability of electrification. He frequently said that as emission standards were tightened, the auto industry would naturally gravitate toward a combination of combustion and electrics. Under his leadership, Chrysler even launched its effort to build the Pacifica plug-in hybrid minivan.The lesson here is that Marchionne’s reality was not much different than the reality now facing Elon Musk. And that same reality is shared by the rest of the auto industry, which has long known that the entry-level market would be a tough nut to crack for the electric car. In fact, the auto industry has known for decades that all small cars—even those with internal combustion engines—exist on razor-thin profit margins. Somehow, though, that reality has managed to elude much of the public, the media, and even Wall Street. That’s why Tesla’s market cap is so absurdly high. Today, Tesla’s market value is about $450,000 per car sold—about 16 times that of BMW and 90 times that of GM. What this means is that investors have showered money on Tesla, largely because of its vision of the future. And—let’s be honest here—that assumption is based on the fact that Tesla is a Silicon Valley company led by a genius, whereas the conventional auto industry is characterized as a Midwest, Rust Belt industry with one foot firmly planted in the past. The corollary to this assumption is that Silicon Valley knows how to quickly drive the cost out of new technology and will do so in batteries and electric cars. In 2010, The New York Times even explained this in an article that introduced the concept of “Moore’s Law for Electric Cars.” Which, of course, is ridiculous. Gordon Moore’s famous “law” applies to semiconductor chips, not to batteries and not to cars. The cost of electrics is never, ever going to drop the way semiconductor chips did for 40 years. Detroit knows this and so does Musk. But the public doesn’t, which is why the concept seems to linger. The irony now is that the viewpoints of the two sides are converging. Detroit (which has brilliant engineers, too) now knows what Musk has taught—that there’s a market for electric cars in the luxury sector. And Musk is
[EVDL] EVcrash: hi-speed rear-ended Tesla-3 performed-miraculously> all safe
https://electrek.co/2018/05/30/tesla-model-3-performed-miraculously-crash/
Tesla Model 3 owner says vehicle ‘performed miraculously’ in high-speed
rear-end crash, all occupants are safe
May. 30th 2018 Fred Lambert
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We have yet to see the results of third-party crash tests for the Tesla
Model 3, but some owner reports of accidents are giving some insights into
the safety performance of the new electric vehicle.
A Model 3 was recently rear-ended at high-speed and the owner says that it
‘performed miraculously’ – leaving his family of four safe.
The early Model 3 owner known as ‘Anatari’ shared the story of the crash and
the picture of the aftermath above on the Tesla Motors Club [
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/my-model-3-got-wrecked-today.116495/
] forum:
Was cruising along the i-90 tunnel in Seattle, WA on mercer island with
my wife and 2 kids, when I hear some vehicles approach at high speed from
behind. Then suddenly I hear a screeching sound from a car breaking hard,
and then a car slams into my rear end – hard. I was going 65, so that
vehicle must have been going significantly faster. From there I lose control
of the car, and the car spins out of control, hitting the freeway divider
wall all the way on the other side of the freeway 4 lanes across, and then
bouncing back all the way back to the other side of the freeway and hitting
that wall before coming to a stop.
He elaborated on the safety performance of the Model 3:
Thankfully the model 3 performed miraculously, crumple zones compressed,
airbags deployed, no fire after the accident, and no one in my family seems
to be seriously injured.
Someone claimed to have been a witness to the accident and said that it was
caused by a Camaro and BMW racing on the public road:
The owner said yesterday that he would ask Tesla for video from the
Autopilot camera in order to try to confirm it.
While Tesla’s Autopilot cameras do save images in the event of a crash, it’s
not something that is currently available to owners, but Tesla is reportedly
working on a dashcam feature using its Autopilot cameras.
Electrek’s Take
Considering all the attention around Tesla crashes right now is on whether
or not Autopilot is responsible, I think it’s fair to highlight the safety
performance of the crash that has nothing to do with that.
In this case, like the owner said, it does look like the crumple zones
performed well.
Last year, Tesla said in their shareholder’s letter that they had positive
results from early Model 3 crash tests [
https://electrek.co/2017/02/22/tesla-model-3-prototypes-production-crash-test/
]:
Initial crash test results have been positive, and all Model 3-related
sourcing is on plan to support the start of production in July.
Over the past few months, we have seen the aftermath of a few Model 3
crashes [
https://electrek.co/2018/01/24/tesla-model-3-crash-in-traffic-light-pole-crumple-zone-capacity/
], which gave us some idea of the safety of the vehicle in a completely
uncontrolled environment, but official third-party testing should be much
more revealing.
They should be coming soon since IIHS’ first Tesla Model 3 safety test
results were released earlier this month and crash results are expected to
be next.
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EVLN: New vs pre-owned> Which Tesla makes more $ense? (v)
New Tesla versus used Tesla: Which makes more sense?
May 25, 2018 Previously, we've covered why used electric vehicles are
probably a better deal ... $35,000 Model 3, a vehicle which we likely won't
see for another year or two ...
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Solaris delivers 10 Urbino electric buses to Milan; 15 more on order
23 May 2018 ... the total number of Solaris vehicles in Italy is 22. ...
240 kWh battery packs which can be recharged via an on-board, 70 kW charger
... seats for 26 passengers, 14 of them available from the low floor. The
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Injured EMT volunteer returns to life saving
27 May 2018 ... EMT Raphael Elihav Nachshoni was involved in a motor vehicle
accident ... Due to his injuries and in an effort to ease his work as a
first responder, United Hatzalah has given him one of the organization’s
electric cars known as “mini-lance emergency vehicles.” The vehicle was
donated specifically for Elihav to use in order to allow him to return to
his volunteering as an EMT first responder without having to ride on an
ambu-cycle, which ... would be inadvisable for him ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: New vs pre-owned> Which Tesla makes more $ense? (v)
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/tesla-used-model-s-versus-new-model-3-hoovies-garage-2018/ New Tesla versus used Tesla: Which makes more sense? May 25, 2018 Kyle Hyatt [images https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/MbSGVpYYyQ_4FLEwEyEFYY5BQzk=/2017/09/22/a98e8432-3bb4-46a5-85a5-97cb1ce138a1/tesla-model-s-ogi.jpg Tesla https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/pictures/teslas-model-3-simplifies-the-ev/ Tesla Model 3 Long Range 54 images Tesla's Model 3 simplifies the EV https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/pictures/everything-is-better-in-the-tesla-model-s-p85d-pictures/ Everything is better in the Tesla Model S P85D (pictures) video https://youtu.be/hF6GqSAnEmM I Bought the Cheapest Tesla Model S in the USA ] People want Teslas, and for some only a new one will do, but how does an older Model S stack up to its brand-new sibling? The great debate over new cars versus used cars seems to rage on endlessly, with each side of the argument having obvious merits as well as disadvantages. Previously, we've covered why used electric vehicles are probably a better deal than you might expect, but does that hold up when applied to Tesla? YouTuber Tyler Hoover of Hoovie's Garage is wondering that too, it seems, so he picked up an extremely early production 2012 Model S 85. He paid just over $33,000 for it which looks like a pretty screaming deal when you compare that to the near-mythical $35,000 Model 3, a vehicle which we likely won't see for another year or two. So, first of all, we want to know how a 6-year-old Tesla with over 100,000 miles has stood up to the test of time. Let's have Tyler show us: All things considered, it's not too bad. Frankly, its held up even better than many would have speculated back in 2012. Sure, it lacks things like dual motors or "Ludicrous Mode," but for most people, driving the car daily, that's not that big of a deal. Plus the 85-kW model that Hoovie bought offers a range more than that of the standard Model 3 (265 vs 220), but less than the 310-mile range of the Model 3 Long Range. What other benefits are there to getting an older Model S over a new Model 3? Space, for one. The Model S is a physically larger vehicle with more room for passengers as well as cargo. Some used models will be Supercharger capable, while some will not, but those that are should be able to use the network for free (for now, anyway). The most significant benefit will be a lack of waiting to get your car. What are the downsides of a used Model S? Well, it's a used car, for one. Tyler's example is out of even its extended factory warranty period, so if anything outside the drivetrain breaks, it's on his dime. In his video, Tyler mentions that his car only has 3G data, and as you might imagine, that makes things a little sluggish. Getting a new car means getting the latest tech, and for some people that's important. In the end, it's all down to personal preference and your unique needs as a buyer. Most of us would happily make room for a used Model S in our garage, while for others, nothing less than a brand-new, minty fresh Model 3 will do. [© cnet.com] + http://www.sdjewishworld.com/2018/05/27/injured-emt-volunteer-returns-to-life-saving/ Injured EMT volunteer returns to life saving 27 May 2018 ... EMT Raphael Elihav Nachshoni was involved in a motor vehicle accident ... Due to his injuries and in an effort to ease his work as a first responder, United Hatzalah has given him one of the organization’s electric cars known as “mini-lance emergency vehicles.” The vehicle was donated specifically for Elihav to use in order to allow him to return to his volunteering as an EMT first responder without having to ride on an ambu-cycle, which ... would be inadvisable for him ... http://www.sdjewishworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/mini-lance.jpg ... (dated) https://israelrescue.org/blog/petach-tikvah-inaugurates-new-life-saving-vehicle/ Petach Tikvah Inaugurates New Life Saving Vehicle March 27, 2018 ... https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/United-Hatzalah-introduces-worlds-first-narrow-electric-ambulance-50 United Hatzalah introduces world’s first narrow electric ambulance October 4, 2017 The $45,000 vehicles, dubbed the mini-lance, can even get up stairs, over narrow sidewalks and streets ... https://images.jpost.com/image/upload/f_auto,fl_lossy/t_Article2016_ControlFaceDetect/393189 http://www.sdjewishworld.com/2018/05/27/injured-emt-volunteer-returns-to-life-saving/ Injured EMT volunteer returns to life saving 27 May 2018 ... EMT Raphael Elihav Nachshoni was involved in a motor vehicle accident ... Due to his injuries and in an effort to ease his work as a first responder, United Hatzalah has given him one of the organization’s electric cars known as “mini-lance emergency vehicles.” The vehicle was donated specifically for Elihav to use in order to allow him to return to his volunteering as an EMT first responder without having to ride on an ambu-cycle, which ... would be inadvisable for him ...
[EVDL] EVLN: $18k <300km/186mi HMC Fit-EV > (r:too-little, too-late)
https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/25/honda-to-revive-the-fit-electric-with-186-miles-of-range-sub-2-price-tag/
Honda To Revive The Fit Electric With 186 Miles Of Range & Sub-$20,000 Price
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May 25th, 2018 Kyle Field
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A new partnership between Honda Motor and Chinese battery conglomerate
Contemporary Amperex Technology (aka CATL) to develop a next-generation
electric vehicle for the motor company with at least 300 kilometers (186
miles) of range*. The car would hit the market at just over $18,000.
The holistic partnership includes on-vehicle battery and supporting hardware
development, electric vehicle performance testing, production technology,
and battery specifications, per the Nikkei Asian Review.
The vehicle will be based on Honda’s Fit, which was also cannibalized for
the limited release Honda Fit EV. Honda is looking to sell more than 100,000
of the new vehicles per year, which would make the new electric vehicle the
brand’s highest volume electric vehicle. The vehicle will be introduced in
China and other global markets in the first two quarters of 2020. *That
being said, the 300 kilometer (186 mile) range is likely not an EPA-rated
range estimate but an estimate based on the Chinese system, which is much
more “generous” (read: inaccurate). What the real-world range would be is a
bit nebulous at this point in time.
Honda had historically been focused on developing its fuel cell vehicle
options, such as with the early introduction of its Honda FCX Clarity from
2008–2014. The Clarity mark later evolved into a umbrella for all of Honda’s
alternative fuel vehicles ...
The new partnership forms the foundation of a larger play by Honda to ramp
up its presence ...
CATL’s push into electric vehicle battery supply is being driven largely by
a push from Beijing and is now on track to ship more automotive batteries
than any other manufacturer, holding 19% of the market share. Fueled by the
booming domestic plug-in vehicle market in China, CATL is adding significant
production capacity with a target of 50 gigawatt-hours per year by the end
of 2020.
The new partnership between Honda and CATL comes on the heels of the Chinese
government’s approval of CATL’s IPO last month. For much more news on the
company, check out our CATL archives. And check out our Honda archives if
that’s what interests you.
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... seats for 26 passengers, 14 of them available from the low floor. The
buses are also equipped with efficient air conditioning ...
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[EVDL] Inaccurate EVSE-poll: pick only1, only4 1EV/family =ng
% Poll is good for media outlet's revenue but will not produce useful
results, thus give an inaccurate picture of real-life daily plugin use (much
like the way VW-funded Electrify America operates = Dysfunctional, putting
public EVSE where it is not needed, and not where it is to get from city A
to B). Twit-acct required 2play =dumb, where there are free poll sites where
subscription is not required (limiting participation, resulting in
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https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116941_where-do-you-charge-your-electric-car-take-our-twitter-poll
Where do you charge your electric car? Take our Twitter poll
May 29, 2018 Eric C. Evarts
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What type of charging do you rely on for your electric car?
o - Home charging
o - Charging at work
o - Public Level 2 charging
o - Public fast (L3) charging
May 29, 2018
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As Tesla expands its Supercharging network and Volkswagen spends $2 billion
on their network over the next seven years, we're reminded that one of the
biggest conveniences of electric cars is the ability to charge them at home.
That led us to ask, how many electric car owners are dependent on public
charging and how fast do they need it to be? For that matter, how many
electric-car drivers mainly charge at home?
So we thought we'd put the question to our Twitter followers to find out
what types of charging they rely on for their electric cars.
Specifically, our Twitter poll this week asks: "What type of charging do you
depend on for your electric car?"
The choices are: home charging, which could be a standard Level 2 EVSE
charging station or just an ordinary 110-volt household outlet; public Level
2 chargers that have been springing up at shopping malls and Whole Foods
stores for several years now; or DC fast chargers such as Tesla
Superchargers or Electrify America fast charging stations. We also included
an option for those who are able to do most of their charging at work at an
outlet or a charging station provided by their employer.
Without widespread public charging infrastructure, electric cars have been
limited mostly to homeowners who have control over where and when to install
a charging stations. A few electric-car drivers have also been able to
charge at work even if they couldn't charge at home.
Most experts agree that easy access to public charging for city or apartment
dwellers will increase the number of electric cars on the road.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 66.2 percent of Americans own their
homes, though many of these are also condominiums or co-ops that might not
make it easy for a homeowner to install their own electric-car charger.
To tell us what type of charging you need, whether you already own an
electric car or are hoping to buy one, click on over to our Twitter poll.
Remember, as always, that our Twitter polls are unscientific, because the
sample size is small and the respondents are self selected.
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