Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 45 li-ion battery-making gigfactories around the world
This is nonsense. The Chinese CALB cells cost more than ever. (Yes, i realize they are talking about cells for production vehicles) They won't go down either. Al On 10/9/2018 11:02 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: https://stockhead.com.au/tech/battery-prices-are-plunging-and-that-could-drive-an-electric-car-industry-in-australia/ Battery prices are plunging and that could drive an electric car industry in Australia October 5, 2018 Rachel Williamson [images https://stockhead.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ev-rubbish-truck.jpg https://stockhead.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ev-retrofit-truck.jpg ] The cost of lithium batteries could drop up to 95 per cent in the next decade, leading to a dramatic expansion in opportunities related to electric cars, says the boss of one of Australia’s newest electric vehicle companies. Right now batteries are among the most expensive components in electric cars. That’s been a major drag on sales — and has limited the market for batteries and related materials. But that’s about to change says Tony Fairweather, managing director of Melbourne electric vehicle (EV) retrofitter SEA Electric. SEA Electric retrofits commercial trucks and vans to electric power. Smaller, cheaper and more energy-dense batteries mean Mr Fairweather’s business can retrofit an increasing variety of vehicles. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 45 li-ion battery-making gigfactories around the world
On 9 Oct 2018 at 22:02, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > The cost of lithium batteries could drop up to 95 per cent in the next > decade ... ... but almost certainly will not. https://qnovo.com/82-the-cost-components-of-a-battery/ David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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EVLN: GreenPower Star e-Van test drives in Rancho_Cucamonga_CA
EV Star Van’s Styling Disguises its Green Performance
October 02, 2018 Electric bus maker GreenPower Motor Co. wants to make it
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EVLN: 45 li-ion battery-making gigfactories around the world
Battery prices are plunging and that could drive an electric car industry in
Australia
October 5, 2018 Battery prices are plunging and that could drive an
electric car industry in Australia ... “(Manufacturers) are actively
scrambling to find a position in the EV space.”.
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LG Chem to supply EV batteries to Volkswagen from late 2019
October 4, 2018 SEOUL (Reuters) - South Korea's LG Chem said on Thursday
that it has secured orders to supply electric vehicle batteries for
Volkswagen (VOWG_p. ... DE) may expand their cooperation to battery and
autonomous cars technology ...
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EVcrash: 50yrold e-bicycler fatally slams into SoCal ice
Man Riding Electric Bicycle Dies After Colliding With Vehicle in Stanton
A bicyclist was fatally struck by a vehicle in Stanton Monday afternoon as
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[EVDL] EVLN: 45 li-ion battery-making gigfactories around the world
https://stockhead.com.au/tech/battery-prices-are-plunging-and-that-could-drive-an-electric-car-industry-in-australia/ Battery prices are plunging and that could drive an electric car industry in Australia October 5, 2018 Rachel Williamson [images https://stockhead.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ev-rubbish-truck.jpg https://stockhead.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Ev-retrofit-truck.jpg ] The cost of lithium batteries could drop up to 95 per cent in the next decade, leading to a dramatic expansion in opportunities related to electric cars, says the boss of one of Australia’s newest electric vehicle companies. Right now batteries are among the most expensive components in electric cars. That’s been a major drag on sales — and has limited the market for batteries and related materials. But that’s about to change says Tony Fairweather, managing director of Melbourne electric vehicle (EV) retrofitter SEA Electric. SEA Electric retrofits commercial trucks and vans to electric power. Smaller, cheaper and more energy-dense batteries mean Mr Fairweather’s business can retrofit an increasing variety of vehicles. The energy density of batteries has improved by a third in the last year — and that’s a key reason why new EV businesses like SEA are taking off says Mr Fairweather. “This is going to turn the commercial vehicle manufacturing space on its head,” he said at this week’s All Energy conference in Melbourne. “(Manufacturers) are actively scrambling to find a position in the EV space.” A truck retrofitted with an electric drive train by SEA Electric. Pic: Stockhead SEA is one type of EV company that a new government committee focusing on the technology reckons might be Australia’s way into the sector, as the country plays catch-up in the battery race. South Australia Senator Tim Storer, who chairs the committee, says he’s hoping to have a report by December that can guide Australia’s transition to EVs and support the industries behind that. There’s no consideration of a return to large-scale car manufacturing in Australia — but there are opportunities throughout the EV supply chain, he says. That includes niche products like Precision Buses’ electric buses in South Australia, Queensland fast-charger maker Tritium, battery factories like Magnis Resources which wants to build a Queensland plant, and even WA’s proposed ‘Lithium Valley’ which will develop Australia’s raw materials into batteries. Already the latter process is happening: Lithium Australia and Lepidico are trying to produce battery grade lithium from mine waste. Another example is Olivers Food – a roadside retailer that is building Tesla EV chargers in its car parks. EVs are bigger in Australia than you think While most EV-related activity in the ASX-listed sector is limited to upstream exploration for battery commodities, a lot is happening elsewhere to advance the Australian market. Fast charger network installers like Everty, EV products seller GelCo, and EV bus seller Carbridge as well as backers like the NRMA are all working to ensure that Australia is prepared for EVs as battery prices fall and cheaper EV models arrive. Mr Fairweather says there are three areas of opportunity for EVs: passenger vehicles, high-end cars, and commercial vehicles. Commercial is where the fastest uptake is — as businesses begin to convert their fleets to electric, he says. A rubbish truck retrofitted with an electric drivetrain by SEA Electric. Pic: Stockhead One of the biggest factors in EV prices — and therefore uptake — is public policy. The federal government will consider how to manage a fall in excise tax on petrol and what to replace it with, how to best support EV purchases, and how to manage the fact that by 2040 11 per cent of Australia’s total energy consumption is expected to be from EVs, says Senator Storer. EV prices should start to come down significantly — in part because of policy efforts — from 2020, he believes. Can Australia become a battery producer? While countries like China, Japan, the US and South Korea have already stolen a march on battery development and production, an impending battery shortage means new gigafactories are still needed. There are some 45 gigfactories around the world – plants that make lithium ion batteries – driving demand for lithium, nickel and graphite. Australia has potential to “move up the value chain” to start refining lithium for global markets, according to the Australian Office of the Chief Economist’s September Quarterly Report. “More than $3 billion is committed to the development of facilities that will supply lithium hydroxide to the electric vehicle market, and the number of full-time workers on lithium projects in Western Australia has increased from 399 in December 2014 to more than 2600, with thousands more to come,” the report said. “Australia’s prospects for entry into this market are mixed. Australia would likely need to be strongly established at all pre
[EVDL] EVLN: GreenPower Star e-Van test drives in Rancho_Cucamonga_CA
https://www.trucks.com/2018/10/02/ev-star-electric-van-green-performance/ EV Star Van’s Styling Disguises its Green Performance October 02, 2018 Susan Carpenter [images / GreenPower https://www.trucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/ev-star-van.jpg GreenPower Motor Co.'s new EV Star multi-use vehicle is a zero-emission vehicle powered by electricity https://www.trucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/diesel-techs.jpg https://www.trucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/ev-star-green-van.jpg ] Electric bus maker GreenPower Motor Co. wants to make it easy for fleet operators to transition from fossil fuel-powered vehicles to plug-ins. The company’s new EV Star multi-use vehicle, or MUV, looks like an oversized airport shuttle that runs on gas or diesel fuel. But it’s a zero-emission vehicle powered by electricity. Operating the EV Star is not unlike the familiar experience behind the wheel of a modern-day passenger vehicle. That’s what Trucks.com discovered during a test drive around GreenPower’s Rancho Cucamonga, Calif., offices. The dashboard and instrument cluster look exactly like those found on internal-combustion vehicles, with a pair of circular, analog gauges — one to track speed and another to monitor the fuel. But in this case the fuel is the amount of battery charge. Between the speedometer and power monitor was the EV Star’s sole digital gauge, displaying a critical piece of information for drivers: the range. The electric van can travel up to 200 miles per charge but is most comfortable traveling within 150 miles, according to company reps. It takes eight hours to fully recharge with a J1172 Level 2 charger that plugs into a port just outside the driver’s-side door, or 90 minutes with a DC fast charger. The shifter gives the usual options of reverse, neutral and drive. Being electric, there are no gears. It’s a single-speed direct-drive system. Shift into drive and press the accelerator to go, though takeoff is not especially quick. By design, acceleration is more gradual compared with many fully electric passenger vehicles. It takes the length of an intersection to reach cruising speed from a dead stop. As a people hauler, the throttle response was on par with more conventionally powered vehicles, as was its stopping power. The brakes are standard, off-the-shelf components from Bendix. Regenerative braking that captures the van’s deceleration to recharge the battery is built into the system. However, the level of regeneration on the first production version was set extremely low to keep the drive experience close to a traditionally fueled vehicle. Buyers can have regeneration set at the level they prefer, however it’s something that’s done with software at the factory. Once the van is delivered, the setting is not accessible by the driver as with many passenger vehicles. The EV Star can be configured in multiple ways. The van tested had seating for 17 in five rows with an aisle running slightly off center. The University of California at San Francisco has purchased two set up this way. It also can have fewer, more luxurious seats, like the one that will be used as a VIP shuttle at the Port of Oakland, Calif. Or it can be built with a wider body to accommodate wheelchairs and paratransit operations — or stripped down and used as a cargo van. To be configured for a variety of uses, the EV Star is 25 feet long, about double the length of a typical family car. It stretches about 9 feet from asphalt to rooftop. Entering requires a three-step climb into the cabin. Its tall perch gives the EV Star a high profile with great visibility, whether it’s from the driver’s seat or the passengers’ who get three large windows to stare out of on either side, as well as a skylight. Its height means that people as tall as 6 foot 2 can stand in the cabin comfortably. The van’s 100-kilowatt-hour battery pack is spread like a pancake under the vehicle floor, which keeps it more planted than its profile would suggest. Even making a tight right turn or yanking the steering wheel from side to side when driving in a straight line doesn’t throw the EV Star off balance. Long, green, handsome and strong, with a gross vehicle weight of 14,500 pounds, the EV Star is different from other all-electric, heavy-duty vans because it’s purpose-built from the ground up. It is not an EV retrofit of a vehicle from a manufacturer like Ford or Chevrolet. It’s a unibody construction designed for a 10-year lifecycle and at least 250,000 miles. Pricing ranges from about $190,000 to $240,000, before incentives. The EV Star’s styling suggests nothing unusual to onlookers about its powertrain but for the words “Zero Emission Vehicle” emblazoned in green lettering on its flank. GreenPower has received more than 100 orders for the EV Star so far and plans to have them built and delivered within 18 months, according to Brendan Riley, the company’s president. And it’s likely there will be even more orders. Gustavo Occhiuzzo, c
[EVDL] EVcrash: 50yrold e-bicycler fatally slams into SoCal ice
https://ktla.com/2018/10/08/man-riding-electric-bicycle-dies-after-colliding-with-vehicle-in-stanton/
Man Riding Electric Bicycle Dies After Colliding With Vehicle in Stanton
October 8, 2018 Marissa Wenzke
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The bicyclist has not been identified. He is described as a male Asian
adult, possibly in his 50s, 5’1”, 125 lbs. He was riding a white Ancheer
electric bicycle. If you can assist in IDing or have a missing person of
similar description, call OCSD Dispatch at 714-647-7000.
OC Sheriff, CA@OCSD
#OCSDPIO OCSD is attempting to ID a person who died while riding an
electric “Ancheer” bike today around 2pm near Cerritos Ave and Magnolia Ave
in Stanton. Asian male, approximately 50-60 years old; 5 foot 2 inches tall,
with black and gray hair, a thin mustache and brown eyes.
10:21 PM - Oct 8, 2018
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A bicyclist was fatally struck by a vehicle in Stanton Monday afternoon as
the driver involved initially pulled into a parking lot before returning to
the scene, according to the Orange County Sheriff’s Department.
The victim died after being taken to a hospital for treatment, sheriff’s
officials said. Authorities are still trying to identify him.
He is described by sheriff’s officials as an Asian man believed to be about
50 to 60 years old who stands 5 feet, 2 inches tall and weighs about 125
pounds. He has black and gray hair, with a thin mustache and brown eyes,
officials said.
He was riding a white Ancheer electric bicycle when the crash happened just
before 2 p.m. in an area along West Cerritos Avenue that’s near Magnolia
Avenue, sheriff’s officials said.
While the driver pulled into a nearby parking lot after the crash, he or she
later returned to the scene, officials said. Authorities have not released
the identity of the driver.
Anyone who can assist in identifying the victim or may know a missing person
with a similar description is asked to contact the Sheriff’s Department’s
dispatch at 714-647-7000.
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Re: [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla
I guess safety is also included in the 'surveillance' electronics that are incorporated in a Tesla... https://jalopnik.com/how-tesla-made-the-model-3-so-safe-1829610576 and https://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-xs-sand-rollover-test-is-fascinating-182620 7350 Rush Dougherty TucsonEV.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Optimum EV cruise speed musings?
I saw that the optimum range EV speed for the Volt is about 37 MPH. This comes from the fact that there are constant battery loads (200 Watts) Gearing which sets the optimum efficiency of the motor at a given speed. Then increasing drag proportional to speed (road friction). And then the increasing air drag (cubed) due to air speed. Lets say they all combine to give that 37 MPH optimum max range speed for the Volt. Now the question. When one is going up a mild hill (gaining altitude) or generally almost coasting going down the mild hill, then the optimum point must clearly have moved a bit. Which way? If 37 MPH on the level gives max range, should I increase a bit or decrease speed a bit going up a hill? Here is my thinking... 1) The potential energy gained/lost is linear with altitude and not affected by speed, so that is a wash. 2) The fixed losses remain constant 3) Then Air and road drag are proportional to speed. 4) But motor "load" is proportional to the altitude changes. So the best I can come up with is that any change in optimum speed going up or down a hill is mostly related to the small constant fixed losses. A good analogy in a gas car is that you are driving with a pinhole in the tank. You are losing gas no matter what you do, so the faster you go, the less gas simply lost through the pinhole when you arrive at destination.* So when coasting down a hill and the motor is using way below optimum energy, then I think it makes sense to add a few MPH to bring the speed losses up to again re-balance against the fixed losses. Conversly, when going up a hill, and the motor losses due to altitude are greater, then it makes some sense to slow down a tad to again, rebalance the added load of altitude against the fixed losses. I'd love to see the equations and solve for the magic MPH compensations for hillls. Of course it is dependent on the slope. Could it be as simple as watching the AMPS gauge and when going up a hill reduce speed until the amps get back down to cruise amps, and going down a hill increase speed to make the amps equal the cruise amps. I DON'T THINK SO. The slower speed going up hill would be too slow and down hill you'd kill yourself. Ah Ha! I think the answer is not comparing to Cruise AMPS, but only the portion of the cruise amps that are due to speed, and not all the other components of those amps. Hummh... One other factoid. The energy per mile is generally assumed to be about 250 Whrs per mile. And if the car is just sitting there and not moving, then that is the same as driving at 1 MPH. A trivial difference. BUT, the typical 250 Whrs per mile quoted is really an overall value at normal driving speeds. SO it is surely greater at lower speeds. Maybe all I need to do is just sit in a flat parking lot, release the brakes and just see how fast the car arrives at while sill only consuming the fixed 0.5 kW... Hummh anyone done this? Bob, Wb4APR * the asterix is from a fighter pilot who remembers looking out the window on takeoff after getting a repaired gas tank. His copilot said "we are losing fuel!!! By the gallons!". Pilot rammed the stick to afterburners for MAX power to get back and land ASAP. This is counter intuitive. Many would go into limp mode to conserve fuel to get back to landing. WRONG. TO quote the pilot "I was losing hundreds of pounds of fuel per minute and I wanted to make sure what fuel I had left was all going through the engine and not out the open hole."... RIGHT decision. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Charging a Tesla
Haudy Kazemi wrote in the [EVDL] Why I Won't Buy a Tesla thread on Monday, October 08, 2018 9:57 PM - > -Supercharger access can be remotely disabled after purchase. This is known to > have happened for cars that have been in accidents (however big or small, > whether just cosmetic only or not) where Tesla hasn't been engaged and paid to > reinspect and repair the car. Regular charging using 120 or 240 can also be disabled remotely. I had a client that bought a J1772 to Tesla cord from me to charge the Tesla he just bought at an auction. He already had a J1772 EVSE and wanted to use that instead of buying an UMC. My cord wouldn't work on his Tesla and his J1772 EVSE was working fine, so naturally he assumed it was the cord. We talked about it, I sent him some tests to make, he did them and the cord was functioning as it was supposed to. He called Tesla and they finally figured out that the car had not be registered so charging, all charging, had been disabled. A few minutes after the Tesla phone call the car was charging fine. Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
