[EVDL] FL ice-Driver Finds Surprise, Excitement, Joy w/ e-Golf ride
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/07/1st-time-driving-a-volkswagen-e-golf-gas-car-driver-finds-surprise-excitement-joy-grace/
1st Time Driving A Volkswagen E-Golf, Gas Car Driver Finds Surprise,
Excitement, Joy, & Grace
March 7th, 2020 Frank Semmens
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Editor’s note: I encouraged a friend to write his first impressions driving
his son’s new Volkswagen e-Golf recently in California. At home in Florida
he drives a non-electric car. He seems to have his eye on an electric
vehicle now. A thank-you to Frank Semmens for taking the time to write up
his original review.
I pressed the start button on my son’s new e-Golf, but nothing happened. I
couldn’t hear a thing. It was 6:00 am and I had to pick up a friend in 15
minutes for his flight to Florida. Although I had ridden in the e-Golf as a
passenger, I had never driven it. The night before, my son and his wife
packed their gas-guzzling SUV with warm clothes, strapped skis to the top
rack, and headed north seeking snow, sun, and fun, all the while leaving me
with a car I had never driven.
I start to panic, knowing that they would not answer their phone at 6:00 am,
while the time for me to get to the airport was quickly running out. I
pressed the start button again and still no sound. Then it dawned on me. I
felt like slapping myself on the forehead. It’s an electric car! There is no
sound! So I adjusted the seat and mirrors, clicked my seatbelt into place,
and slowly backed out of the driveway. My friend lives in downtown Los
Angeles and even at 6:00 am traffic was heavy on the freeway and on the
feeder streets. There was no time to lose.
My first impression, other than the sound of complete silence, was the
quickness of the car. When I stepped on the accelerator it took off with the
speed of a startled squirrel. That in itself brought a wide smile to my
face. I zipped through the narrow city streets with ease and made it to my
friend’s house earlier than expected. “Nice looking car dude” he said. “If
you think it looks nice, wait until you get inside and feel the power and
agility,” I replied.
Interstate 405, the busiest and most congested freeway in the United States,
connects LA to Los Angeles International Airport (LAX). Traffic can be
brutal at any hour, but especially at daybreak when people are bustling
about, brashly rushing to work or bringing their kids to school. Cars,
trucks, buses, and motorcycles cross lanes indiscriminately, popping on and
off the highway from all different directions.
I never felt a moment of concern, though, as the EV moved quickly in and out
of lanes with the grace and aplomb of a ballet dancer. My friend and I, both
being aficionados of music, flipped through my son’s collection of favorite
tunes on the sound system. This is one of the things that impressed me most
about an EV. Sitting there, in a vehicle that made no engine noise, was like
being in the front row of a theater listening to a live performance of your
beloved band.
We arrived at LAX on time, and as we said our goodbyes, my friend thanked me
not only for the drop-off, but also for the “awesome” experience of riding
in an EV.
I took my time returning home, wanting to get as much enjoyment as possible
on the way back. Even though electric vehicles have been out and about for
few years, I never thought that something as simple as driving one would
give me so much pleasure. As I pulled into the driveway and coasted to a
complete stop, I vowed that my next car would be an EV. Pleasure is a valid
reason for owning one, but I also think of our environment and the many ways
in which electrification will help mitigate the enormous damage that fossil
fuels have inflicted upon our earth. I can summarize my EV experience in a
few words: surprise, excitement, joy, and grace. We are living in a time of
great change. EVs are driving us in the right direction.
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Is A Chevrolet Camaro EV In GM’s Future?
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affordable as the Logan model
04 March 2020 ... The French group didn't announce the price for the first
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GM's push to get consumers in EVs starts in its own parking lots
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Autonomous electric buses to be on trial in Taipei
4 March 2020 will begin trial run of autonomous electric buses on a
designated road in the city in May 2020. The autonomous buses will run from
12:30 a.m. to 2:30 a.m. at 10-20km/hour during the tria on a bus-only lane
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Peugeot whines 'Only green addicts(nutz) buy EVs'> redirecting low sales
blame
Only green addicts buy electric cars: Peugeot CEO
FRANKFURT: Electric cars are only bought by "green addicts" and lack broader
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https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/03/is-a-chevrolet-camaro-ev-in-gms-future/
Is A Chevrolet Camaro EV In GM’s Future?
Mar 6, 2020 Jonathan Lopez
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Following a deluge of news and info dropped at the recent GM EV Day event,
General Motors is proudly declaring that “Our electric future is now.” The
automaker plans on introducing 20 new all-electric models by 2023, and
judging by a recent teaser video, it looks like one of those forthcoming EVs
could be a new all-electric Chevrolet Camaro.
The video teaser in question is just 13 seconds long, but provides a number
of exciting leads with regard to GM’s EV plans. The video shows the
automaker’s next-gen BEV3 EV platform, which made its big debut at the
recent GM EV Day event. On top of the platform, we see a number of vehicle
silhouettes drawn, including crossovers, hatchbacks, a pickup truck, and the
Cruise Origin fully autonomous taxi.
Critically, we also see what appears to be a sports car around the
four-second mark which looks very much like a Chevrolet Camaro.
All told, it wouldn’t be terribly surprising if General Motors decided to
develop a new Chevrolet Camaro EV. We’ve already seen what electric
performance can do with the race-spec eCOPO Camaro dragster, while the
Chevrolet E-10 EV concept that debuted at SEMA last year take the idea of
all-electric performance a step further with an EV crate motor.
Chevrolet eCOPO Camaro
Moving forward, an all-electric Chevrolet Camaro could potentially offer
some seriously high-powered performance. The claims made by the upcoming GMC
Hummer EV pickup should be evidence enough of that. With 1,000 horsepower
and a 0-to-60 mph sprint set at three seconds for the truck, one can only
imagine what the same technology might look like in a true sports car.
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Is an electric Chevy Camaro in the works?
March 7, 2020 General Motors announced this week that it is planning
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Dacia unveils what might be Ireland’s cheapest electric car
Mar 3, 2020 Neil Briscoe
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Renault’s Romanian brand promises that the Spring EV will be Europe’s most
affordable battery vehicle
Dacia has used the virtual space of the non-existent Geneva motor show to
reveal this, the Spring electric crossover, which is promised to be Europe’s
most affordable electric vehicle (EV).
Well, it’s most affordable electric car, to be precise, as Dacia — even with
its expertise in low-cost cars, is unlikely to be able to bring the Spring
in at less than the price of the Renault Twizy. But then, of course, the
Twizy is not strictly speaking a car.
The Spring is a very compact crossover, just 3.7-metres long, and Dacia says
that the full production version will have a range of around 200km on the
new WLTP emissions and economy test. Dacia says that the Spring will be
“perfect for urban and suburban use.”
Style-wise, the Spring sparks a new design language for Dacia, albeit one
that doesn’t stray too far from the simple and blocky styling of the current
Sandero and Duster. The new ultra-slim LED headlights make for a slightly
more modern face, although it remains to be seen how precisely the styling
of this concept model will make it through to production reality. There are
also new full LED rear lights, which form a ‘double-y’ shape which the
company says will become its new lighting signature. Well, at least you’ll
be able to spot one at night.
You can also pretty obviously tell from the shape that the Spring is based
heavily on the Renault City KZ-E small crossover, which is already on sale
in China. That model comes with a 26.8kWh battery, but only a 33kW electric
motor — just shy of 50hp. It’s likely that, for Europe, that both battery
and motor will be given a significant upgrade.
That’s it on the detail front for now, although Dacia has still not
confirmed right-hand drive production for the Spring. We know that it will
go on sale in Europe in 2021, but Dacia says that at the start it will
concentrate on marketing the Spring to ride-sharing and car-sharing schemes,
so we may have to wait a while longer before you can buy one, here, as a
private customer.
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Re: [EVDL] Honda Kills Clarity EV> keeps fossil-fuel consuming variants
To clarify, it’s really only two powertrains. I think that the BEV and FCEV are both the same electric powertrains. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Mar 11, 2020, at 3:22 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > > On 11 Mar 2020 at 11:41, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > >> Three cars on the same platform with power trains that match three different >> duty cycles. > > A double or even triple powertrain strategy does make sense from that > perspective, or at least it probably did when the Clarity was introduced. > And the Clarity looks like a rather nice car, if you like midsize sedans. > > I also agree with you that drivers usually over-perceive their need for > range, but the fact remains that (alas) perception might as well be reality. > > However, I finally found a price for the 2019 Clarity EV - $36,620. Today, > to be blunt, who pays that kind of money for a 135km EV? The PH gas version > was and is only $33,400, and has a 75km EV range. > > No wonder the Clarity EV didn't sell. If Honda couldn't or wouldn't make it > range-competitive, then it was probably time to put it out of its misery. > > Besides, with rapidly expanding EV range across the board, I see a > diminishing business case for PHs of all types, regardless of fuel. > > Let me give you an example of what I mean. Today in France, Europe's > largest nation, you can buy a supermini EV with a real world range of 350km > for less than $29,000 out the dealer's door - under $20,000, if you're > willing to lease the battery. Meanwhile, the major French autoroutes now > have EV charging at nearly all rest stops that also have filling stations. > Twenty-two kw AC charging is widely available. They're rapidly being fitted > for 50kw Chademo and CCS DC charging. > > Right now, you can easily drive that car from Paris to Toulouse or > Montpelier with two 50kw charging stops of 40-50 minutes each. With care and > a light foot, you could probably do it with one stop, but I wouldn't want to > risk it. > > I don't know about you, but most of my travel rest stops tend to be around > 25 minutes anyway. Give me another 20 minutes to kill, and I'll just add a > coffee and a snack. (Oops, better watch those calories. :-) > > From what I can see, most other major EU nations are similar in terms of > charging points, and they're smaller than France, so trip distances will be > even shorter. At least in Europe, who really needs a plug hybrid? > > I don't know whether that's true in the USA. But again being blunt, except > for Tesla, the US is not really where the future of transportation is being > written. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Honda Kills Clarity EV> keeps fossil-fuel consuming variants
On 11 Mar 2020 at 11:41, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: > Three cars on the same platform with power trains that match three different > duty cycles. A double or even triple powertrain strategy does make sense from that perspective, or at least it probably did when the Clarity was introduced. And the Clarity looks like a rather nice car, if you like midsize sedans. I also agree with you that drivers usually over-perceive their need for range, but the fact remains that (alas) perception might as well be reality. However, I finally found a price for the 2019 Clarity EV - $36,620. Today, to be blunt, who pays that kind of money for a 135km EV? The PH gas version was and is only $33,400, and has a 75km EV range. No wonder the Clarity EV didn't sell. If Honda couldn't or wouldn't make it range-competitive, then it was probably time to put it out of its misery. Besides, with rapidly expanding EV range across the board, I see a diminishing business case for PHs of all types, regardless of fuel. Let me give you an example of what I mean. Today in France, Europe's largest nation, you can buy a supermini EV with a real world range of 350km for less than $29,000 out the dealer's door - under $20,000, if you're willing to lease the battery. Meanwhile, the major French autoroutes now have EV charging at nearly all rest stops that also have filling stations. Twenty-two kw AC charging is widely available. They're rapidly being fitted for 50kw Chademo and CCS DC charging. Right now, you can easily drive that car from Paris to Toulouse or Montpelier with two 50kw charging stops of 40-50 minutes each. With care and a light foot, you could probably do it with one stop, but I wouldn't want to risk it. I don't know about you, but most of my travel rest stops tend to be around 25 minutes anyway. Give me another 20 minutes to kill, and I'll just add a coffee and a snack. (Oops, better watch those calories. :-) >From what I can see, most other major EU nations are similar in terms of charging points, and they're smaller than France, so trip distances will be even shorter. At least in Europe, who really needs a plug hybrid? I don't know whether that's true in the USA. But again being blunt, except for Tesla, the US is not really where the future of transportation is being written. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Honda Kills Clarity EV> keeps fossil-fuel consuming variants
I think that there are others, even at Honda, that might agree with your assessment that it was just too low a range. I don’t. Maybe an extra 20 miles would have made sense, but from the Honda perspective, I think it made perfect sense. Three cars on the same platform with power trains that match three different duty cycles. For light local city driving, the BEV. The range exceeds the average commute identified in an EV range study at UC Davis several years ago (during the RAV4-EV days) which said that for commutes you only really needed 30 miles range for the average driver. This study was embraced by the California BEV community. If your duty cycle requires more range, you move up to the fuel cell. (Putting aside that you can’t get it in most places - Honda was developing their EV lineup for the long term.) And if you need more flexibility in fueling than what either can provide, there is the hybrid. It made perfect sense to me. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Mar 11, 2020, at 11:21 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > > From what little I can find online, it appears to me that while the Clarity > FC version is/was lease-only, the PH and EV versions were offered for sale. > The PH seems to have sold in the $35k range. I can't find a price for the > EV version, though one source said it was actually higher than the PH base > price! > > I don't recall ever seeing either a Clarity of ANY variety here in Ohio, on > the road or at dealers, nor have I ever seen it advertised. You can't sell > what you don't tell buyers about, Honda. > > And that EV range. Car and Driver is right; it's hopeless. In 2020, when > you can (at least in Europe) buy a nicely-appointed < $29k EV with a 400km > (WLTP) range, and with longer ranges in the pipeline, who wants a $35k+ EV > with a third-world 135km range? Even the ~$24k Renault Twingo ZE goes > nearly twice as far, 250km (WLTP). > > The thing is, Honda could easily fix the Clarity EV's range, if they wanted > to. Cell energy density keeps rising. Since 2011, Renault has increased the > Zoe's battery capacity from 22kWh to 52kWh, without significantly changing > the car's chassis or making the battery any bigger. > > But I don't think Honda want to fix it. They have a long history of EV foot- > dragging. AFAICT, they're only developing EVs now because the EU is pushing > hard for them, with real legislative teeth on show. > > Like Toyota, Honda are pretty far behind, and they're going to have to spend > some serious money to catch up. It probably does make sense for them to cut > the Clarity EV loose and spend the money on EVs more likely to sell in the > EU. If they were really smart, they'd nuke the rest of the Clarity line > too; I'd guess that they lose big time on the FCV version. > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > EVDL Administrator > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Honda Kills Clarity EV> keeps fossil-fuel consuming variants
Certainly a fair point, if you want it but don’t want to lease.
Honda seems to put new technology in a “lease-only” category initially.
Mine is the first car I’ve leased. I bought our other EV, and probably would
have been better off with a lease as the technology is changing and improving
rapidly. With my new Clarity, I will only get some minor (but important)
improvements, but a newer model in the next few years will have major
advancements.
- Mark
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> https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31297220/honda-clarity-ev-discontinued/
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> Honda Axes Unloved Clarity Electric, Its Only US EV Although its departure
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> Brinkwire (press release)
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Re: [EVDL] Honda Kills Clarity EV> keeps fossil-fuel consuming variants
>From what little I can find online, it appears to me that while the Clarity FC version is/was lease-only, the PH and EV versions were offered for sale. The PH seems to have sold in the $35k range. I can't find a price for the EV version, though one source said it was actually higher than the PH base price! I don't recall ever seeing either a Clarity of ANY variety here in Ohio, on the road or at dealers, nor have I ever seen it advertised. You can't sell what you don't tell buyers about, Honda. And that EV range. Car and Driver is right; it's hopeless. In 2020, when you can (at least in Europe) buy a nicely-appointed < $29k EV with a 400km (WLTP) range, and with longer ranges in the pipeline, who wants a $35k+ EV with a third-world 135km range? Even the ~$24k Renault Twingo ZE goes nearly twice as far, 250km (WLTP). The thing is, Honda could easily fix the Clarity EV's range, if they wanted to. Cell energy density keeps rising. Since 2011, Renault has increased the Zoe's battery capacity from 22kWh to 52kWh, without significantly changing the car's chassis or making the battery any bigger. But I don't think Honda want to fix it. They have a long history of EV foot- dragging. AFAICT, they're only developing EVs now because the EU is pushing hard for them, with real legislative teeth on show. Like Toyota, Honda are pretty far behind, and they're going to have to spend some serious money to catch up. It probably does make sense for them to cut the Clarity EV loose and spend the money on EVs more likely to sell in the EU. If they were really smart, they'd nuke the rest of the Clarity line too; I'd guess that they lose big time on the FCV version. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Honda Kills Clarity EV> keeps fossil-fuel consuming variants
My issue with the Honda Clarity EV was it was only available as a lease.
David Kerzel
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31297220/honda-clarity-ev-discontinued/
Honda Kills Clarity EV, Its Only All-Electric Car in US Mar 9, 2020 ... This
was Honda's only EV in the United States. The battery-electric vehicle (BEV)
version ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Honda+Kills+Clarity+EV
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Honda Clarity Electric discontinued due to poor sales According to USA
Today, the Clarity Electric failed to gain traction because Americans prefer
larger vehicles (such as SUVs and pick-up trucks), and are ..
Motor Trend
Honda Axes Unloved Clarity Electric, Its Only US EV Although its departure
leaves Honda without any pure electric vehicles in the U.S., we can't say
we're surprised. It was a low-volume model, and more ..
Brinkwire (press release)
Honda just dumped its only all-electric car in the US Honda is axing its
only all-electric car in the US, phasing out the Clarity EV after buyers
failed to be enchanted by its mediocre range. Announced back in 2017, ...
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British Airways Trials Fully Autonomous Electric Mobility Devices at JFK
Almost half a million customers who require additional assistance fly with
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Re: [EVDL] Honda Kills Clarity EV> keeps fossil-fuel consuming variants
The quote, in context (I hope) is: According to USA Today, the Clarity Electric failed to gain traction because Americans prefer larger vehicles (such as SUVs and pick-up trucks), and are apparently not as receptive of electric cars as their proclamations suggests. I don’t believe the latter point (which is actually from Automotive News). (I don’t believe the first point either with regards to the Clarity Electric, as the Clarity is not a small car and is bigger than most other Honda’s on the road. I’m about to receive my second one). - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Mar 11, 2020, at 1:56 AM, evln via EV wrote: > > Paul Tan's Automotive News > Honda Clarity Electric discontinued due to poor sales > According to USA Today, the Clarity Electric failed to gain traction because > Americans prefer larger vehicles (such as SUVs and pick-up trucks), and are -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200311/2e257180/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Honda Kills Clarity EV> keeps fossil-fuel consuming variants
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31297220/honda-clarity-ev-discontinued/
Honda Kills Clarity EV, Its Only All-Electric Car in US
Mar 9, 2020 ... This was Honda's only EV in the United States. The
battery-electric vehicle (BEV) version ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=Honda+Kills+Clarity+EV
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Honda Clarity Electric discontinued due to poor sales
According to USA Today, the Clarity Electric failed to gain traction because
Americans prefer larger vehicles (such as SUVs and pick-up trucks), and are
...
Motor Trend
Honda Axes Unloved Clarity Electric, Its Only US EV
Although its departure leaves Honda without any pure electric vehicles in
the U.S., we can't say we're surprised. It was a low-volume model, and more
...
Brinkwire (press release)
Honda just dumped its only all-electric car in the US
Honda is axing its only all-electric car in the US, phasing out the Clarity
EV after buyers failed to be enchanted by its mediocre range. Announced back
in 2017, ...
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British Airways Trials Fully Autonomous Electric Mobility Devices at JFK
Almost half a million customers who require additional assistance fly with
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EVLN: 41+k Ford Mustang Mach-E .us reservations
Ford Mustang Mach-E is up to 41k reservations, with some in all 50 states
Mar. 2nd 2020 It’s also really popular around Washington, DC and in the
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EVLN: GM modular pack 2compete > Isn't Better Than Tesla's
GM makes modular electric car and battery pack to compete with Tesla
2020-03-04 GM unveils shape-shifting electric vehicle platform that can
transform into an SUV or a car and uses a battery pack designed to compete
with automakers like ...
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Let's Not Lie: GM's New Ultium Battery Isn't Better Than Tesla's
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Lordstown Gets Letter of Intent To Buy 250 Endurance Electric Pickups
February 26, 2020 Utility FirstEnergy intends to purchase a fleet of 250
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[EVDL] EVLN: GM modular pack 2compete > Isn't Better Than Tesla's
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8075871/GM-unveils-modular-electric-vehicle-battery-pack-designed-compete-automakers-like-Tesla.html
GM unveils shape-shifting electric vehicle platform that can transform into
an SUV or a car and uses a battery pack designed to compete with automakers
like Tesla
2020-03-04 James Pero
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Those vehicle types include an SUV, a crossover, a car and a commercial
vehicle according to the company.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/04/22/25549720-8075871-image-a-24_1583361042941.jpg
The modular vehicle can be re-arranged to form into a car or an SUV
depending on the circumstance
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/04/22/25549696-8075871-image-a-25_1583361057950.jpg
As noted by The Verge, GM also altered the chemistry of its battery to be a
mixture of nickel, cobalt, magnesium, and aluminum as opposed to only
nickel, cobalt and magnesium
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/03/04/22/25549692-8075871-Pictured_is_GM_s_battery_cell_technology_called-a-28_1583361795212.jpg
Pictured is GM's battery cell technology called Ultium that aims to decrease
costs and fit into a variety of vehicle configurations
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- GM unveiled a modular electric vehicle and a new battery technolgy
- The modular vehicle can be configured into an SUV, car, or commercial
truck
- A battery called Ultium has a unique shape and composition
- Ultium can be stacked to fit different vehicle configurations
- It also adds aluminum to its chemical composition to decrease costs
General Motors is getting serious about its electric cars.
At an event showcase, the company rolled out multiple new initiatives
focusing on electric vehicles and energy, including a modular vehicle
platform that can be reconfigured into different vehicle types.
The modular vehicle can be re-arranged to form into a car or an SUV
depending on the circumstance
Motors designed by GM will also support front-wheel drive, rear-wheel drive,
all-wheel drive and all-wheel drive.
In all it sees GM the vehicle having 19 different battery and drive unit
configurations, compared to the 550 combinations of internal combustion and
powertrain combinations available today.
The versatility, in GM's words, will allow it to 'compete for nearly every
customer in the market today, whether they are looking for affordable
transportation, a luxury experience, work trucks or a high-performance
machine.'
That modular vehicle isn't the only innovation, however. GM said it will
also use a new battery technology called Ultium.
It says that packs will be a 'large-format, pouch-style cell' that can be
stacked vertically or horizontally inside the battery pack - a move hat
allows engineers to optimize battery energy storage and also adapt to each
of its platforms' vehicle design.
Ultium will batteries will range from 50 to 200 kWh, which could enable a
range of up to 400 miles on more on a single charge and also make the
vehicle capable of going from 0 to 60 mph in as little as three seconds.
Pictured is GM's battery cell technology called Ultium that aims to decrease
costs and fit into a variety of vehicle configurations
The added aluminum aims to lower the cost of making the batteries by
reducing the amount of cobalt by as much as 70 percent according to GM.
For GM the announcement will solidify its position as a direct competitor to
companies like Tesla, owned by billionaire Elon Musk, which offers its own
breed of electric vehicle.
Like GM, Tesla has poured much of its time into developing more efficient
batteries to power its cars.
Earlier this year Musk claimed that the company is quickly approaching the
ability to get its Model S cars 400 miles on a single charge.
'We're rapidly approaching a 400-mile range for Model S,' Musk said in the
call according to Engadget.
'So, it won't be long before Model S has a 400-mile range.'
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I saw all of GM’s upcoming electric vehicles: EV Hummers, huge Cadillacs,
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[EVDL] EVLN: 41+k Ford Mustang Mach-E .us reservations
https://electrek.co/2020/03/02/ford-mustang-mach-e-is-up-to-41k-reservations-with-some-in-all-50-states/ Ford Mustang Mach-E is up to 41k reservations, with some in all 50 states Mar. 2nd 2020 Jameson Dow [image https://i1.wp.com/electrek.co/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2020/03/Screen-Shot-2020-03-02-at-1.10.42-PM-e1583183503508.jpg map .us reservations ] Ford’s Mustang Mach-E reservations are moving along nicely, with the car’s release coming at the end of this year. We learned today that, if reservation numbers are sequential (and they seem to be), the car now has approximately 41,400 reservations (globally) according to forum posts. Also, according to Ford, there have been Mach-E reservations in all 50 US states so far. Ford’s reservation numbers seem to be sequential, though they didn’t start at zero. The earliest reservers from the day of the reveal have numbers as low as ~4,000. It seems that the first 4,000 cars will be reserved internally for Ford’s purposes (Ford corporate fleet, employee sales, etc.). They’re also coming in from around the globe. Those reservation numbers jumped up to the 20,000 range in the first week after the presentation, and have slowed down since then but are still plugging along. Two days ago the number was in the 41,000 range, and five days prior to that it was in the 40,000 range. Extrapolating, it looks like we’re still seeing about a thousand orders a week. If this continues to be the case, then Ford’s first-year of production should be “sold out” within the next couple of months. The “first edition” model “sold out” within the first week. In the first year, Ford plans to build 50,000 Mach-Es across all trim levels. But the American company plans to allocate around 60% of those first- cars to Europe. This is to help Ford meet EU emissions regulations, which are getting much stronger and most automakers are facing big fines if they don’t push more EVs in Europe soon. Ford also shared an animation showing reservation numbers across the US, along with the most popular color reserved in each state. The Mach-E looks to be the most popular in the expected places – out West, particularly in California, and in the Detroit area. It’s also really popular around Washington, DC and in the main cities of Texas. In particular, there have been questions about whether traditionalists would accept the use of the “Mustang” name on an electric crossover SUV. The car’s popularity in Detroit, the home of American muscle cars, suggests that a relatively traditional market can still be brought on board despite some big changes. Ford noted that there are reservations in all 50 states of the US. though it looks like North Dakota only barely eked in there. Ford credits the broad popularity of the Mach-E to the availability of all-wheel drive and large available range options. While almost 3/4 of cars across the US were ordered with AWD, that number climbs to 9/10 in cold Northeast states. And the “extended-range” battery, which is targeting 300 miles of range, has been most popular in spread-out West and Southwest states. Ford also shared that about 30% of reservations are for the top-performance GT model, which is targeting 0-60 performance of mid-3-seconds. Electrek’s Take These numbers are pretty impressive, though pale in comparison to other EVs, even ones announced around the same time. But for a company without a proven EV track record, releasing their first purpose-built EV, and without first-to-market advantage, I’d say these numbers are still quite good. We’re pretty excited about the Mach-E at Electrek, and think it offers a good balance between innovation and inspiration. So it’s good to see it doing well with still almost a year to go until launch. But one development that might take the wind out of Ford’s sails is that the Tesla Model Y is coming to market much earlier than expected. We’ve already seen Model Ys shipping from the factory this weekend. So customers will have the option of a good-looking, well-thought-out, good-performing electric crossover SUV several months before Mach-E hits the market. The Mach-E will have one big advantage though: tax credits. Since Tesla ran out of credits and Ford still has plenty, Ford should be able to undercut Tesla on price once incentives are taken into account. This will help buoy their sales for the first year and beyond – though the popularity of the top-end GT model suggests that early customers aren’t all that price sensitive. [© electrek.co] https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ford-mustang-mach-e-reservations-color-features/ Ford Mustang Mach-E nets reservations in all 50 states ... March 10, 2020 Ford's electric pony, the upcoming Mustang Mach-E, proves electric cars aren't a regional love affair. The automaker shared on Tuesday that buyers have placed ...
