Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing
There own cheapness brought them to Tesla. They didn’t want to pay for it. Wanted the government or someone else to foot the bill. Sent from AT Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 28, 2023, 12:44 PM, EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: https://chargedevs.com/features/how-automakers-disappointment-in-electrify-ameri ca-drove-them-into-teslas-arms-ev-charging-is-changing-part-1 <https://chargedevs.com/features/how-automakers-disappointment-in-electrify-amer ica-drove-them-into-teslas-arms-ev-charging-is-changing-part-1/?utm_source=Charg edEVs.com+Email+Newsletter+Opt-in_campaign=c3a743d8f2-Daily+Headlines+RSS+Em ail+Campaign_medium=email_term=0_6c05923d39-c3a743d8f2-343605577> EV charging is changing, Part 1: How automakers' disappointment in Electrify America drove them into Tesla's arms Here's ChargedEV's look at why and how the Tesla NACS became so popular so quickly. "Overall, this year's developments reflect deep dissatisfaction among automakers other than Tesla with the state of US fast charging-accompanied by fear that Tesla's ultra-reliable and deeply integrated Supercharger network has given it a permanent competitive advantage." "It's hard to overstate the disgust and anger at Electrify America among virtually every person we interviewed. The network has come to be viewed, fairly or not, as the most minimal effort VW Group could have exerted to comply with the 10-year, $2-billion settlement it jointly negotiated with the EPA and the California Air Resources Board (CARB)" Coming soon: Part 2: No, NACS is not today's Tesla connector Part 3: Why Tesla's NACS is unlikely to kill CCS Part 4: Behind the scenes of seven automakers answer to Tesla's Superchargers Best regards, Rush Dougherty TucsonEV www.TucsonEV.com <http://www.tucsonev.com/> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230828/04387eee/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230829/5347d0ef/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing
On 8/28/2023 6:34 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: John Lussmyer via EV wrote: And have the machines broken off their stands and stolen - just like happens to store ATM machines. Wouldn't it depend on how much they charge per hour, or per KWH? Nobody steals parking meters. There isn't enough money in them to make it worthwhile. At $0.10/KWH, a 10 KW charging station is only costing $1/hour for electricity. An EV that uses 300 WH/mile gets 33 miles of charge for each hour parked. You seem to be forgetting most of the costs, and profit that such a system would include. I'd bet it would charge at least $0.50/KWh. Also note that we are talking DC Fast Charging, not J1772. Stations will be 100KW and up. So a busy station could accumulate significant funds in a day. And don't think that thieves will actually worry about how much they get when causing $10,000 damage to a site. If they make $50, it's worth it to them. ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing
One of the reasons why parking meters went to CC systems is the fact that they were continuously broken into and were more costly to maintain since they needed someone to empty them of the change. Best regards, Rush Dougherty TucsonEV www.TucsonEV.com > -Original Message- > From: EV On Behalf Of EV List Lackey via EV > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 5:13 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: EV List Lackey > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing > > On 28 Aug 2023 at 10:40, EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: > > > How automakers' disappointment in Electrify America drove them into > > Tesla's arms > > I've read - probably here - that one of the sources of the charging points' > reliability problems is the state of the mobile phone network. > > BTW, it's unnerving that, from what I've read, self-driving cars also rely on the mobile > phone network. > > Wouldn't it be nice if charging points would accept cash? There'd be no need for > them to phone home for ID card verification or for credit card approval. Just shovel > in some cash and charge, like parking at a parking meter. > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : > http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > First Law of Bicycling: No matter which way you ride, it's uphill > and against the wind. > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > ___ > Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. > www.avg.com ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing
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Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing
John Lussmyer via EV wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if charging points would accept cash? There'd be no need for them to phone home for ID card verification or for credit card approval. Just shovel in some cash and charge, like parking at a parking meter. And have the machines broken off their stands and stolen - just like happens to store ATM machines. Wouldn't it depend on how much they charge per hour, or per KWH? Nobody steals parking meters. There isn't enough money in them to make it worthwhile. At $0.10/KWH, a 10 KW charging station is only costing $1/hour for electricity. An EV that uses 300 WH/mile gets 33 miles of charge for each hour parked. Lee -- Whether we or our politicians know it or not, Nature is party to all our deals and decisions, and she has more votes, a longer memory, and a sterner sense of justice than we do. -- Wendell Berry -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing
On 8/28/2023 5:13 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: BTW, it's unnerving that, from what I've read, self-driving cars also rely on the mobile phone network. Some may, Tesla doesn't require it. (at least, not continuously, just needs to be able to fetch map data now and then for navigation and charging site activity data.) Wouldn't it be nice if charging points would accept cash? There'd be no need for them to phone home for ID card verification or for credit card approval. Just shovel in some cash and charge, like parking at a parking meter. And have the machines broken off their stands and stolen - just like happens to store ATM machines. ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing
On 28 Aug 2023 at 10:40, EV@TucsonEV via EV wrote: > How automakers' disappointment in Electrify America drove them into > Tesla's arms I've read - probably here - that one of the sources of the charging points' reliability problems is the state of the mobile phone network. BTW, it's unnerving that, from what I've read, self-driving cars also rely on the mobile phone network. Wouldn't it be nice if charging points would accept cash? There'd be no need for them to phone home for ID card verification or for credit card approval. Just shovel in some cash and charge, like parking at a parking meter. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = First Law of Bicycling: No matter which way you ride, it's uphill and against the wind. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] EV charging is changing
I would like to say the following is surprising but really it is not. Obviously, VW did the bare minimum they could get away with and it shows. "Overall, this year's developments reflect deep dissatisfaction among automakers other than Tesla with the state of US fast charging-accompanied by fear that Tesla's ultra-reliable and deeply integrated Supercharger network has given it a permanent competitive advantage." -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230828/7f178a84/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
[EVDL] EV charging is changing
https://chargedevs.com/features/how-automakers-disappointment-in-electrify-ameri ca-drove-them-into-teslas-arms-ev-charging-is-changing-part-1 <https://chargedevs.com/features/how-automakers-disappointment-in-electrify-amer ica-drove-them-into-teslas-arms-ev-charging-is-changing-part-1/?utm_source=Charg edEVs.com+Email+Newsletter+Opt-in_campaign=c3a743d8f2-Daily+Headlines+RSS+Em ail+Campaign_medium=email_term=0_6c05923d39-c3a743d8f2-343605577> EV charging is changing, Part 1: How automakers' disappointment in Electrify America drove them into Tesla's arms Here's ChargedEV's look at why and how the Tesla NACS became so popular so quickly. "Overall, this year's developments reflect deep dissatisfaction among automakers other than Tesla with the state of US fast charging-accompanied by fear that Tesla's ultra-reliable and deeply integrated Supercharger network has given it a permanent competitive advantage." "It's hard to overstate the disgust and anger at Electrify America among virtually every person we interviewed. The network has come to be viewed, fairly or not, as the most minimal effort VW Group could have exerted to comply with the 10-year, $2-billion settlement it jointly negotiated with the EPA and the California Air Resources Board (CARB)" Coming soon: Part 2: No, NACS is not today's Tesla connector Part 3: Why Tesla's NACS is unlikely to kill CCS Part 4: Behind the scenes of seven automakers answer to Tesla's Superchargers Best regards, Rush Dougherty TucsonEV www.TucsonEV.com <http://www.tucsonev.com/> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20230828/04387eee/attachment.htm> ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
