Re: [EVDL] '91 BMW 318i conversion to electric

[Harsha Godavari via EV]

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/how-volvo-landed-cheap-chinese-ev-us-shores-trade-war-2024-04-24/


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From: EV List Lackey via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org
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Sent: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:18:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 91 BMW 318i conversion to electric

On 25 Apr 2024 at 10:48, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:

 In our case, no OEM has stepped up to make a decent van with good range
 thats supremely reliable with a low cost-of-ownership. 

So what E-vans DO yall have there?

I dont know about Asia, but there are several choices in Europe, most of 
them EPTOs of Diesel vans.  

Some listed here:

https://www.drivingelectric.com/best-cars/586/best-electric-vans

Also small, medium, and large vans from Renault.  Theyve just updated 
their 
Kangoo and Master E-Tech vans.  The Master has a 3600 lb payload, and a WLTP 
range of 285 miles with the 87 kWh battery.

Most of the EU brands, such as Citroen and Renault, dont have a US 
presence 
that I know of.  However, the Ford E-Transit and the VW ID Buzz Cargo are 
available there, right?  

Or is it mostly pickups rather than vans in the US?  (Tradespeople here 
usually drive vans, seldom pickups.)

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Re: [EVDL] Cheap $900 .cn nEV on Alibaba

[Harsha Godavari via EV]

Little over $3000.00 includes shipping + duty+taxes etc

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From: Peter VanDerWal via EV 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Cheap $900 .cn nEV on Alibaba

Did he ever say how much it cost him to ship it? I'm guessing as much or more 
than the retail price.

June 19, 2020 2:22 AM, "evln via EV"  wrote:

> already posted 6/12, read
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1-732-2020-Changli-Nemeca-Cheapest
> 60V-cn-nEV-ts-32kph-v-tp4697647.html
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Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

[Harsha Godavari via EV]

I would insert a nylon rope (longer than the pipe) in the pipe before laying it 
down. Then I could attach my cable to end of the rope and pull it through when 
I am ready.

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From: John Lussmyer via EV 
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Cc: John Lussmyer 
Sent: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:27:40 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Don't be a pathetic charge-mooching-thief> (get towed)

On Tue Jul 30 17:13:37 PDT 2019 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>What's a good way to protect the conduit when I
>cover the holes?
>
>I don't want to get "lucky" when someone
>drives a truck on this grassy strip.
>
>Maybe an elbow on each end, and an oversize cap?
>It needs to be buried for final inspection :-)

I'd use the gray schedule 80 electrical PVC conduit, and something like 3" to 
make it REALLY easy to pull cable through it.


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Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers

[Harsha Godavari via EV]

I wonder if you said, "I need to plug my car in" instead of , " I need to 
charge my car" would you have found more cooperation? 

regards 
harsha godavari 

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Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 12:35:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hotel Chargers 

Tried Ramada - same basic conversation, but got transferred to someone who 
wanted to sell me a 'getaway package'. 
I've emailed both organizations. 

I realize I can wing it and ask for a 120V outlet, but how is that grocery 
stores, etc are putting in charge stations and hotels don't? I would think 
hotels would be the first place you'd see chargers: it's a great perk to 
advertise, if I'm stopping at hotel - I probably really need to charge, the 
cost is small compared to the room charge, it makes them look 'modern', etc. 

SteveS 
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Re: [EVDL] HOW GM BEATS TESLA TO THE Every Man's Electric Car

[Harsha Godavari via EV]

+ how they tried to destroy Ralph Nader. 

regards 
harsha godavari 

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From: "EVDL Administrator via EV"  
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Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 5:12:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] HOW GM BEATS TESLA TO THE Every Man's Electric Car 

On 11 Jan 2016 at 22:20, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: 

> Or is that cutting off your nose to spite your face? 

Oh, don't get me wrong. It's not that I won't buy a GM EV. It's that I 
won't buy ANY GM vehicle, ever. 

It's not just their broken EV promises, it's not just their abominable 
treatment of the EV1 and its owners, it's not just their Onstar spyware, 
it's not just that they want to lock down your car (ICEV or EV) so only they 
can work on it. 

Those would be bad enough, but it's also that they actually want to make 
working on your own car a crime. 

http://consumerist.com/2015/05/20/gm-that-car-you-bought-were-really-the- 
ones-who-own-it/ 

http://v.gd/Qf35dR 

They could offer me the Bolt for $1 and I still wouldn't buy it. 

Seriously, screw 'em. 

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Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] Re: EVs Here, There and Everywhere

[HARSHA GODAVARI via EV]

A couple of points to consider: 

Any idiot with money can own a manufactured EV He /she will run to the factory 
if a tire sprung a leak. It takes brains and perseverance to do a conversion. 

A conversion is not going to be spying on the owner constantly (reporting 
home) and is totally owned by the person. It is not under the control of a 
remote factory geek and you can do whatever you want with it. You own it 
lock,stock  Barrel . 

regards 
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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 12:15:02 AM 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] Re: EVs Here, There and Everywhere 

Sounds like Burned EVangelist Syndrome. It is not about you or your EV, 
people who behave like that *are* the problem, so don't take their monkey, 
it is not your problem. 
Please don't get discouraged from talking about your EV to others 
because a few are having a problem... 

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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of tomw via EV 
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 9:19 AM 
To: ev@lists.evdl.org 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [SPAM?] Re: EVs Here, There and Everywhere 

/I was a little offended when Bruce implied Tesla owners are snobby. I am 
certainly not nor or other Tesla owning EVDLers.../ 

A few years ago I was participating in the local club's display of EVs. I 
stepped up to two Tesla S owners talking just as one asked the other if he had 
ever dropped down from a local mountain summit. He had not. I chimed in that I 
had, and they gave me a look of disdain and turned away. Last year I was at a 
get together with some people I used to work with. A VP was proudly discussing 
his Tesla S when a friend mentioned my converted EV. 
Again the look of disdain, that my friend would even mention such a vehicle in 
the same conversation. Not all are that haughty, I know a couple who are not, 
but many more I have met are. Some Leaf owners similarly look down on converted 
vehicles as not real EVs. When I mentioned I had a converted car to a new 
local club member he asked disdainfully, What's it got, lead acid batteries? 
with the seeming implication it was useless. When I explained it had lithium 
cells and about the same range as a Leaf, he started talking to another Leaf 
owner nearby to change the subject. 

My impression is that the new manufactured EV owners like to think they are the 
avant-guarde. The above club member referred to himself as a pioneer. 
All those earlier EVs don't count, even though some commuted daily for years in 
those lead acid vehicles, showed that limited range electric vehicles could 
be very useful, and provided quite a bit of learning. 

If that's what it takes to get people to buy EVs, that's fine. I just don't 
feel like attempting to interact with them anymore. I no longer participate in 
the local EV club, and if someone asks if my car is electric, I simply respond 
yes, and continue on about my business. 



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Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences

[HARSHA GODAVARI via EV]

Their contact info shows their location as,Greenfield .Ind May be someone in 
the vicinity can pay them a visit. 

regards 
hg 

- Original Message -

From: Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org 
To: Mike mska...@cox.net, Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
ev@lists.evdl.org 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:09:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences 

Mike, 

Caveat emptor. 

A US company, but I can't see any information on the website that tells me 
they have a good cell, modules or packs. It is rather uninformative. I 
can't tell if they are more than an outlet for a non-US company. 

To me the most important thing to know is what they cells are made of, and 
have they had useful life testing; which is to say high precision 
coulometry. WIthout that knowledge there I very little about the life spec 
that is comforting. This will be hard to get from any manufacturer because 
it is new. But the usual life testing is very weak. If you find out more 
about the actual chemistry then you could look into that. Kick it around 
on thes forum. 

They say nothing about their US facilities. If I had to guess they are 
made overseas and branded ENRDEL. I would want to know more about that 
manufacturing. 

They do not cite a single customer application. They talk about how they 
could do these applications, but don't identify any actual uses. 

There is only one actual photograph of a cell, module, pack, or BMS. All 
CAD renderings - not a good sign. http://www.enerdel.com/se175-384-a-secure/ 
shows a completly generif metal box with lifting eyes. Not even and 
ENERDAL log. 

Call me suspicious. 

They might be an outlet for a perfectly competent Chinese manufacturer, or 
who knows what. 

Maybe you can get them to show you the beef. Maybe some testimonials? A 
happy customer you can call? 


Mike Ross 



On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Mike via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: 

 I am in the process of deciding what type of Lithium batteries to use. 
 Been through all the retoric on CALB, etc. Read the used Nissan battery 
 threads and am leaning toward ENERDEL batteries for two reasons,, (1) They 
 are a US company and (2) the discharge curve seems to be a steady declining 
 ramp with a ‘soft’ end point. EVOLVE Electrics is also very helpful. I am 
 well aware the company had a rough few years but it looks like they have 
 recovered. Looking for a 144 volt nominal/168V max system and 200 AHrs. 
 So…does anyone have any solid experience using ENERDEL batteries? 
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Re: [EVDL] EVent: 30 EV-conversions @ZCW EVolution-Show 1p-on 3/29 Frome UK

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From: brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org 
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Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 9:00:57 AM 
Subject: [EVDL] EVent: 30 EV-conversions @ZCW EVolution-Show 1p-on 3/29 Frome 
UK 

EVent: 30 EV-conversions @ZCW EVolution-Show 1p-on 3/29 Frome UK 

http://www.fromestandard.co.uk/Green-vehicle-conversion-showcase-promises-simply/story-25976982-detail/story.html
 
Green vehicle conversion showcase promises to be simply electrifying 
By Somerset Standard | February 05, 2015 

[image 
http://www.fromestandard.co.[you 
kay]/images/localworld/ugc-images/276419/Article/images/25976982/9432607-large.jpg
 
Mayor of Frome Peter Macfadyen, wearing his solar-powered mayoral chain, 
with Zero Carbon World trustees, from left, Cara Naden, Kevin Sharpe and 
Alexander Sims, in front of electric cars being charged at the Cheese and 
Grain Picture: Joe Hulbert 
] 

The biggest showcase of electric vehicle conversions in the country is to be 
staged at the Cheese and Grain in Frome. 

Next month about 30 electric vehicle (EV) conversions will be gathered in 
the Frome car park to demonstrate how people have up-cycled their once-loved 
fossil fuelled cars, bikes, vans and motor boats by EVolving them into 
zero emission electric vehicles. 

The event, being held on Sunday, March 29, has been described by organisers 
as a celebration of what is possible in the world of eco-friendly up-cycling 
and electrified emission free transport. 

It will also celebrate record breaking EV Technology with the world record 
holding electric motor bike and speed boat, which will be on show. 

The EVolution Show will be the biggest showcase of EV conversions in the UK 
and a chance for EV drivers and supporters to come along in their electric 
vehicles, to celebrate all electrified transportation and the transition to 
pollution free travel. 

Those not yet in the driving seat of an electric car will also be welcomed, 
to be inspired about the world of EVs and meet EV drivers and supporters. 

The event is being organised by UK Charity Zero Carbon World. Zero Carbon 
World has donated more than 600 electric vehicle charging stations to venues 
in the hotel, tourist and leisure industry, creating an open use charging 
network called ZeroNet, helping with the transition the electric vehicles. 

The Cheese and Grain has two charging stations for use by visitors as well 
as Frome Town Council's new community electric car share scheme. 

This will be launched at the town's Growing Frome Potato Day and Seed Swap 
this Sunday ) from 10am to 3pm, and will be a feature at the EVolution Show. 

There will also be a program of free talks and presentations at the 
EVolution Show about electric vehicle conversions, technology, batteries and 
other EV delights. 
[© 2015 Local World] 



http://www.cheeseandgrain.com/markets/ 
Zero Carbon World – Sunday 29th March – 1pm until late 9432607-large 
The biggest electric vehicle conversion event comes to the Cheese  Grain. 
... 
http://www.cheeseandgrain.com/contact/ 
Market Yd, Justice Ln, Frome BA11 1BE, UK 
https://goo.gl/maps/fCl2Z 
(map) 
... 
http://www.plugshare.com/?location=57986 
Frome Cheese and Grain 
2x Mennekes (Type 2) EVSE 
http://openchargemap.org/site/poi/details/24706 
... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frome#Transport 



http://zerocarbonworld.org/news/the-evolution-show-poster 
The EVolution Show flier 
by: Cara Naden 28 January 2015 

There is now a new digital poster/flier for the EVolution Show at the Cheese 
and Grain, Frome BA11 1BE Designed by local Graphic Designer The Paper 
Crane. 

Please request a copy of the poster/flier, by emailing 
cara.na...@zerocarbonworld.org so you can promote the EVent other people who 
are interested in EV conversions and electric vehicles, or want to come and 
celebrate the fastest EV speed boat crossing the English Channel! 
... 
http://zerocarbonworld.org/news/the-evolution-event-2015-ev-conversions-convention-uk
 
The EVolution Show 2015 
Tuesday, 11 November 2014 

[image 
http://zerocarbonworld.org/cache/com_zoo/images/new%20electric%20image_f5367e62f328959998f8df2a6783eb47.png
 
(man sitting with EV conversion part all around him) 
] 

ZCW is delighted to announce that it is hosting: 
The EVolution Show 2015 

An afternoon and evening celebrating all things EV! 
Conversion examples, demonstrations, talks and workshops. 

Come and see the amazing Electric Vehicle Conversions from ICE to EV and 
other EVs to check out! 

Plus celebrate the World Record by New Electric BV in their Electric Speed 
Boat across the channel. See details on EVTV 

Sunday 29th March 2015 
Starts at 1:00pm 
Venue: the Cheese and Grain, Market Yard, Justice Lane, Frome, Somerset BA11 
1BE 

EVent is free though donations are very welcomes on the day to help with the 
running costs 

Article about the event: 

http://green.autoblog.com/2014/12/03/the-evolution-show-to-bring-the-spirit-of-evccon-to-europe/
 

Interested in bringing along 

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Weirdest-Sexy L3 EVSE Ad @FamilyMart.jp (v)

[HARSHA GODAVARI via EV]

Sex sells. 

regards 
hg 

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From: Rod Hower via EV ev@lists.evdl.org 
To: EVDL Administrator evp...@drmm.net, Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
ev@lists.evdl.org 
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:45:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Weirdest-Sexy L3 EVSE Ad @FamilyMart.jp (v) 

There is some definite sexual innuendos for 'plugging in' with the beast and 
'singing into the microphone'. Very strange video indeed! Not sure what they 
are promoting, but I've seen strange stuff on youtube as well that the younger 
generation follows. I'll have to admit that the 'bouncing around' assets of the 
female where interesting and highlighted in the video. 


On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:48 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV 
ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: 



I don't know that I'd call it sexy, except that one camera shot lingers 
rather longer than necessary on the talent's, uh, physical assets. But 
weird? Oh yeah, definitely. 

I don't understand the Japanese, but this is what I got from watching it 
before reading the synopsis in Nikki's story. 

We have here a beast whose spinning horns (!) clearly show that he's utterly 
smitten with a young woman shopper. The woman seems to just want to plug in 
(unplug?) her Nissan Leaf at Famiy Mart. 

The beast even tries to give her roses, but to no avail. Finally, with some 
help from the Family Mart manager (?), he seems to win her over, getting her 
to sing along with him as he plays his electric guitar (she uses the chademo 
adapter as a microphone). By the end of the ad, she's throwing sparks 
(kisses?) at him, they're dancing hand in hand, and he's helping her 
(finally) plug in her car. (Which, in the next scene, is again unplugged. 
Go figure.) 

Here's this 3+ minutes of quirkiness, unembedded : 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk6Lqjb7xOQ 

And Nikki's synopsis from Bruce's post, which corrects what I got wrong : 

https://transportevolved.com/2015/02/24/japanese-ad-for-electric-car-rapid- 
charging-at-familymart-is-the-weirdest-tv-ad-weve-ever-seen/ 

http://v.gd/1hT0XR 

This one has the old GM EV1 appliance worship ad beat all to heck for 
quirkiness. 

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA 
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Re: [EVDL] Portable EVSE: Turning over a new Leaf...

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From: Peter C. Thompson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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Sent: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:09:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Portable EVSE: Turning over a new Leaf...

On 12/14/14, 1:51 PM, Chris Tromley via EV wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Mark Abramowitz ma...@enviropolicy.com
 wrote:

 On Dec 14, 2014, at 6:24 AM, Chris Tromley via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 wrote:
   Honda in
 particular sees itself as an engine company.  EVs are seen as a threat to
 the status quo.
 Where can I find that information?

 ​I've never seen it addressed directly as a main topic of discussion, but
 throughout my decades of following the auto industry it has been referenced
 countless times
 ​ from a broad variety of sources​
 .  From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda, comes this typical remark:

 ​
 Honda, despite being known as an engine company,
 ​ ...  And this:

 ​
 Honda has been the
 ​...
 world's largest manufacturer of internal combustion engines
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_combustion_engine measured by
 volume, producing more than 14 million internal combustion engines each
 year.
 ​
 ​
 ​

  From *The Causes of Structural Unemployment...* by Thomas Janoski,​ while
 discussing Toyota he adds this casual aside:

 ... the company strategy is long-term and focused on automobiles (unlike
 Honda, which sees itself as an engine company doing automobiles, lawn
 mowers, jet engines and other products).

 From
 http://www.torquenews.com/1083/2014-honda-accord-plug-hybrid-and-2014-2014-fit-ev-help-us-see-where-electric-car-market-going
 ​ comes this toss-off:  ​
 Honda always prided itself as being a motor company.
 ​​

  From *Honda: an American Success Story...* by Robert Shook, 
 Honda is neither an automobile nor a motorcycle company, but an engine
 company
 ​.​

  From an article in the *Reading Eagle* newspaper on Honda's 50th
 anniverwsary, Yet Honda has always considered itself first and foremost as
 an engine company.

 These were just from a single Google search.  I could go on ad nauseum, but
 you get the idea.

 Chris

Interesting.  Yet they are also very involved with standards for 
electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids.  I see them all the time in our 
groups that deal with EV charging.  I suspect they are trying to branch out.

Cheers, Peter


May be they will branch out into building electric motors for EVs?

regards
hg
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Re: [EVDL] co-operation

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From: George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:43:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [EVDL] co-operation

 In this forum we have all the skills necessary to set up a franchise that is 
 in it's self  not for profit but works to further the development of a 
 market for converted cars which  could be a fraction of the cost of the 
 current manufacturer's cars. This would really get things going.

Could you elaborate a little on this. I am a little confused (senior moment..my 
natural state) as to what you are saying. Thanks.

regards
hg
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi EV cost?

[HARSHA GODAVARI via EV]

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Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:29:45 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: As EV battery prices fall ?More range or lower 100mi 
EV cost?

Bob Bruning a is a great evangelist for 110v, L1 charging at work using 
existing 20 amp circuits. Way cheaper than L2 when parked 6-9 hours. He built 
a solar Prius

Any URLs to learn more about this?
regards
hg
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