Re: [EVDL] ? Is this really a Smart Fortwo ED EV that burnt to a crisp ?

[Roger Stockton via EV]

EVDL Administrator wrote:

> A lot of people have shown an interest in discussing the origins of the
> fire here, but I haven't seen any posts yet addressing Bruce's question
> -- was this really a Smart?
> 
> Bruce provided links that show a Smart chassis.  The burnt-out skeleton in
> the photos resembles it.  However, there are also some differences.

There are 3 (or 4?) generations of Smart ED, so no guarantee that the links 
Bruce provided show chassis that are for the same generation as the burnt 
vehicle (stated to be a 2017 Smart ED).

If you look up pictures of what an unburned 2017 ED looks like

e.g. 

it is clear that the front end/grill has been redesigned to be more 
"Mini-esque", and it is not unreasonable that there might be some different 
(from prior generations) support structure behind the bodywork.

Wikipedia () has some 
pictures of various generations of Smart ED, and also states:

"The third-generation Smart electric drive was unveiled at the September 2011 
Frankfurt Motor Show.[5] Key differences with the second-generation model 
include a more powerful electric motor, which improves acceleration and top 
speed; a new lithium-ion battery pack that will allow to increase the range to 
140 kilometres (87 mi) and an option for quick-charge will be available; and 
other features include an enlarged grille opening, stylish LED daytime running 
lights, wider door sills, some minor modifications to the rear, fully automatic 
air conditioning with pollen filter and pre-air conditioning."

Given that the third generation has different front end/grill styling, wider 
door sills, and "minor modifications to the rear", it seems important to 
compare the burned vehicle remains to pictures of only same generation Smarts.

Cheers,

Roger.

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Re: [EVDL] ? Is this really a Smart Fortwo ED EV that burnt to a crisp ?

[paul dove via EV]

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A lot of people have shown an interest in discussing the origins of the fire 
here, but I haven't seen any posts yet addressing Bruce's question -- was 
this really a Smart?  

Bruce provided links that show a Smart chassis.  The burnt-out skeleton in 
the photos resembles it.  However, there are also some differences.  Look at 
the shape of the front crossmember (what in an ICEV might be the radiator 
support) and the bumper support (?) below it, compared to the pictures of 
the actual Smart frame.  I think I also see differences at the rear 
quarters.  The rocker panels seem to be shaped differently, too.

Anybody else remember the Flybo and the other Chinese EVs that resembled 
Smarts?  They showed up about 10 years ago.  Diamler tried to sue the 
makers, but I don't know how successful they were at stopping them.  If they 
were shut down, it might have been mainly because they were fairly junky 
knockoffs.

http://evalbum.com/type/FLYB

I can't find any online pictures of the Flybo frame like the ones Bruce 
found of the Smart (thanks, Bruce).  It does make you wonder, though.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] ? Is this really a Smart Fortwo ED EV that burnt to a crisp ?

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

A lot of people have shown an interest in discussing the origins of the fire 
here, but I haven't seen any posts yet addressing Bruce's question -- was 
this really a Smart?  

Bruce provided links that show a Smart chassis.  The burnt-out skeleton in 
the photos resembles it.  However, there are also some differences.  Look at 
the shape of the front crossmember (what in an ICEV might be the radiator 
support) and the bumper support (?) below it, compared to the pictures of 
the actual Smart frame.  I think I also see differences at the rear 
quarters.  The rocker panels seem to be shaped differently, too.

Anybody else remember the Flybo and the other Chinese EVs that resembled 
Smarts?  They showed up about 10 years ago.  Diamler tried to sue the 
makers, but I don't know how successful they were at stopping them.  If they 
were shut down, it might have been mainly because they were fairly junky 
knockoffs.

http://evalbum.com/type/FLYB

I can't find any online pictures of the Flybo frame like the ones Bruce 
found of the Smart (thanks, Bruce).  It does make you wonder, though.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Re: [EVDL] ? Is this really a Smart Fortwo ED EV that burnt to a crisp ?

[David Kerzel via EV]

What does the EVSE have to do with this?  The car makes the decisions.  The
EVSE is just a super safe power cord.
David Kerzel

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EV-fire: Faulty wall-mounted EVSE completely burns (?Smart42ED?) EV.uk
Electric car gutted by flames after it set fire while charging An electric
car was left completely burnt out after it set on fire while charging. The
vehicle was destroyed and a nearby building was damaged by smoke in the ...


 then at the end I placed some image links of Smart EV frames without their
body.

The EV's body was not metal and completely bunt away. Only the metal frame
was left, including the metal frame for the doors. Compare, and decide. Was
this EV really a Smart? Or was it something else.




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[EVDL] ? Is this really a Smart Fortwo ED EV that burnt to a crisp ?

[brucedp5 via EV]

% First look at:


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EV-fire-Faulty-wall-mounted-EVSE-completely-burns-Smart42ED-EV-uk-td4687296.html
EV-fire: Faulty wall-mounted EVSE completely burns (?Smart42ED?) EV.uk
Electric car gutted by flames after it set fire while charging
An electric car was left completely burnt out after it set on fire while
charging. The vehicle was destroyed and a nearby building was damaged by
smoke in the ...


 then at the end I placed some image links of Smart EV frames without their
body.

The EV's body was not metal and completely bunt away. Only the metal frame
was left, including the metal frame for the doors. Compare, and decide. Was
this EV really a Smart? Or was it something else.




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