Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
I think that there is some truth to this. I would say that, based on my
discussions with some OEMs, even when there is a strong will to sell EVs, the
dealers need to be trained correctly, and that can be a challenge and the
source of a great deal of internal frustration.
I wouldn’t fault them for not producing enough unless you couple that with “and
they immediately sell out and people cannot buy them.”
A lot full of unsold cars is the quickest way to slow an alt fuel vehicle
program. I saw that happen when Honda produced too many CNG cars. When demand
became huge the following several years, they were over cautious and didn’t
produce nearly enough to meet huge demand.
- Mark
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> On Mar 26, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Mike C via EV wrote:
>
> Personal opinion only: It looks to me like GM and Ford know how to build
> electric cars, they just don’t seem to have any idea how to sell them. As
> long as they only see EVs as a threat to existing ICE auto sales, they won’t
> bother to properly market them. For the most part, dealers pretty much don’t
> seem to want them around at all. Automakers build cars the dealers want,
> then the dealers sell them to the public. Tesla works without this “filter”.
> Unfortunately, dealer agreements probably mean GM and Ford can’t do this.
>
> Mike Chancey
> evalbum.com
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> https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gm-ford-ev-production-plans-leaked/
> GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
> joke
> March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
> electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
> Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
> centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
> insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
> GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
> output in 2019 from its one factory in Fremont, CA ...
>
>
> (fox-n-friends are anti-EV source, friendly w/ the frik-n-frack fed
> beavis against EVs, to koch fo$$il, on the saudi
> profit$)
> https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-gm-electric-vehicles-sales
> Ford and GM won't be selling many electric vehicles soon ...
> 2020-03-26 ... automakers would love to get a little of that Tesla magic and
> money ... trying to play to Wall Street, which thinks the future is all
> about electric vehicles ...
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Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
From: Willie via EV Lee Hart via EV wrote: >> I'm confident that the dealers will invent new services to keep EV >> owners coming in for service. Since auto companies sell to dealers (not >> individuals), they will be more than happy to cooperate. >Don't you think that that would be just playing into Tesla's hands? It would; but they won't be able to resist. Carmakers sell to their dealers; and have to do what their dealers want. Until they can break out of that mindset, they *can't* change. >Or maybe you don't see Tesla dominating the legacy auto makers? Lomg-term: Yes, Tesla has a better change than anyone that's come along for a very long time. They could be the next VW (1950's) or Toyota (1970's). But, look at how many decades it took for them to move from tiny niche players up to owning a significant share of the auto market? >> How long before we see a "check battery" light in your EV that comes on >> every 3000 miles? Or mandatory "software update required" that only the >> dealer can do? > >Are you still resisting taking a Tesla test drive? Not at all! I've been for a test drive, and think it's a wonderful car. It doesn't happen to be my kind of car ($$$), but there is certainly nothing like it on the market. Lee Hart -- Excellence does not require perfection. -- Henry James -- Lee A. Hart http://www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
On 3/26/20 5:52 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: I'm confident that the dealers will invent new services to keep EV owners coming in for service. Since auto companies sell to dealers (not individuals), they will be more than happy to cooperate. Don't you think that that would be just playing into Tesla's hands? Or maybe you don't see Tesla dominating the legacy auto makers? Or, maybe it is just wishful thinking on my part. How long before we see a "check battery" light in your EV that comes on every 3000 miles? Or mandatory "software update required" that only the dealer can do? Are you still resisting taking a Tesla test drive? ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
Peri Hartman via EV wrote: True, but if Tesla keeps growing (and others), they'll need to adapt or be darwined. -- Original Message -- From "Peter C. Thompson via EV" what kept [the dealership] open and running was the shop. People might not buy a new car, but they sure will need to get it repaired. Once the EV becomes mainstream, that source of daily cash is going to serious dwindle. THAT, I believe, is one of the big stumbling blocks facing the big OEMs. I'm confident that the dealers will invent new services to keep EV owners coming in for service. Since auto companies sell to dealers (not individuals), they will be more than happy to cooperate. How long before we see a "check battery" light in your EV that comes on every 3000 miles? Or mandatory "software update required" that only the dealer can do? Lee Hart -- If you would not be forgotten When your body's dead and rotten Then write of great deeds worth the reading Or do these great deeds, worth repeating -- Ben Franklin, from Poor Richard's Almanac -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
True, but if Tesla keeps growing (and others), they'll need to adapt or
be darwined.
Peri
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Cc: "Peter C. Thompson"
Sent: 26-Mar-20 3:11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on
u.s.
My step-dad sold Chevy's and Honda's (way back when I was a kid). He was one of
the first in California to sell Honda's. Saved his business.
However, what kept his business open and running, day-in and day-out was the
shop. People might not buy a new car, but they sure will need to get it
repaired.
Once the EV becomes mainstream, that source of daily cash is going to serious
dwindle. THAT, I believe, is one of the big stumbling blocks facing the big
OEMs.
Cheers, Peter
On 3/26/20 1:06 PM, Mike C via EV wrote:
Personal opinion only: It looks to me like GM and Ford know how to build
electric cars, they just don’t seem to have any idea how to sell them. As long
as they only see EVs as a threat to existing ICE auto sales, they won’t bother
to properly market them. For the most part, dealers pretty much don’t seem to
want them around at all. Automakers build cars the dealers want, then the
dealers sell them to the public. Tesla works without this “filter”.
Unfortunately, dealer agreements probably mean GM and Ford can’t do this.
Mike Chancey
evalbum.com
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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:42 PM
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[related
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]
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gm-ford-ev-production-plans-leaked/
GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
joke
March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
output in 2019 from its one factory in Fremont, CA ...
(fox-n-friends are anti-EV source, friendly w/ the frik-n-frack fed
beavis against EVs, to koch fo$$il, on the saudi
profit$)
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-gm-electric-vehicles-sales
Ford and GM won't be selling many electric vehicles soon ...
2020-03-26 ... automakers would love to get a little of that Tesla magic and
money ... trying to play to Wall Street, which thinks the future is all
about electric vehicles ...
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Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
My step-dad sold Chevy's and Honda's (way back when I was a kid). He was
one of the first in California to sell Honda's. Saved his business.
However, what kept his business open and running, day-in and day-out was
the shop. People might not buy a new car, but they sure will need to get
it repaired.
Once the EV becomes mainstream, that source of daily cash is going to
serious dwindle. THAT, I believe, is one of the big stumbling blocks
facing the big OEMs.
Cheers, Peter
On 3/26/20 1:06 PM, Mike C via EV wrote:
Personal opinion only: It looks to me like GM and Ford know how to build
electric cars, they just don’t seem to have any idea how to sell them. As long
as they only see EVs as a threat to existing ICE auto sales, they won’t bother
to properly market them. For the most part, dealers pretty much don’t seem to
want them around at all. Automakers build cars the dealers want, then the
dealers sell them to the public. Tesla works without this “filter”.
Unfortunately, dealer agreements probably mean GM and Ford can’t do this.
Mike Chancey
evalbum.com
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]
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gm-ford-ev-production-plans-leaked/
GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
joke
March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
output in 2019 from its one factory in Fremont, CA ...
(fox-n-friends are anti-EV source, friendly w/ the frik-n-frack fed
beavis against EVs, to koch fo$$il, on the saudi
profit$)
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-gm-electric-vehicles-sales
Ford and GM won't be selling many electric vehicles soon ...
2020-03-26 ... automakers would love to get a little of that Tesla magic and
money ... trying to play to Wall Street, which thinks the future is all
about electric vehicles ...
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Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.
Personal opinion only: It looks to me like GM and Ford know how to build
electric cars, they just don’t seem to have any idea how to sell them. As long
as they only see EVs as a threat to existing ICE auto sales, they won’t bother
to properly market them. For the most part, dealers pretty much don’t seem to
want them around at all. Automakers build cars the dealers want, then the
dealers sell them to the public. Tesla works without this “filter”.
Unfortunately, dealer agreements probably mean GM and Ford can’t do this.
Mike Chancey
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[related
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]
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gm-ford-ev-production-plans-leaked/
GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
joke
March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
output in 2019 from its one factory in Fremont, CA ...
(fox-n-friends are anti-EV source, friendly w/ the frik-n-frack fed
beavis against EVs, to koch fo$$il, on the saudi
profit$)
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-gm-electric-vehicles-sales
Ford and GM won't be selling many electric vehicles soon ...
2020-03-26 ... automakers would love to get a little of that Tesla magic and
money ... trying to play to Wall Street, which thinks the future is all
about electric vehicles ...
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Well, I think it's actually not so bad. 5% isn't a lot, but it's a
ten-fold increase over this year, and that's a big deal. Remember, the
giants move slowly. I will speculate that, if Tesla keeps taking
high-end market share and GM's and Ford's EV sales do well, they'll
increase more.
Peri
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https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gm-ford-ev-production-plans-leaked/
GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
joke
March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
output in 2019 from its one factory in Fremont, CA ...
(fox-n-friends are anti-EV source, friendly w/ the frik-n-frack fed
beavis against EVs, to koch fo$$il, on the saudi
profit$)
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-gm-electric-vehicles-sales
Ford and GM won't be selling many electric vehicles soon ...
2020-03-26 ... automakers would love to get a little of that Tesla magic and
money ... trying to play to Wall Street, which thinks the future is all
about electric vehicles ...
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GM and Ford’s EV production plans for the US have leaked, and they are a
joke
March 26, 2020 ... despite the grand gestures and proclamations of an
electric car-centric future from American automakers General Motors and
Ford, the two companies’ actual production plans for North America are still
centered on large, internal combustion-powered vehicles ... have been
insisting that they are all-in on an electric car push ... 5% of Ford and
GM’s combined vehicle production in North America, and less than Tesla’s
output in 2019 from its one factory in Fremont, CA ...
(fox-n-friends are anti-EV source, friendly w/ the frik-n-frack fed
beavis against EVs, to koch fo$$il, on the saudi
profit$)
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/ford-gm-electric-vehicles-sales
Ford and GM won't be selling many electric vehicles soon ...
2020-03-26 ... automakers would love to get a little of that Tesla magic and
money ... trying to play to Wall Street, which thinks the future is all
about electric vehicles ...
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