Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 78, Issue 23

[Damon Henry via EV]

I recently read a similar article and had a similar reaction.  That being that 
people who are willing to invest in an EV at this point are also more likely to 
invest in renewables.  Count me as a yes.  I installed 26 305 watt solar panels 
last summer and smile every time the sun is out and I plug my car in   It 
tickles me to no end knowing that the energy is literally flowing from my 
rooftop directly into my EV.  I have the same reaction with my corded electric 
lawn mower.

Damon

From: EV  on behalf of Mark Laity-Snyder via EV 

Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 78, Issue 23

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Electric Car Subsidies Aren't All They're Cracked Up to Be
April 19, 2019 ... The EV tax credit, which has been around since 2008,
offers consumers a subsidy of up to $7,500 off the price of a qualifying EV
...
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A Straw Poll:
How many of you EVangelists charge your cars using renewable power?  The 
article above sited a study that electric cars will not help the environment I 
am assuming because they assume EVs are being charged from power from the power 
company (which in my area means coal fired power plants).  I do agree with the 
premise that the EV subsidy helps wealthier people more than poor folks, since 
if you can afford a brand new Tesla, you have some cash.  But that study sited 
is very suspect.  Most of the people I know around here that have EVs also have 
at least some solar.  While a few have more solar than they can ever hope to 
use themselves (Mark Hanson: take a bow).
So I am just curious. What say you?

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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 78, Issue 23

[Jamie K via EV]

It's helpful to be aware of who is writing such "studies," who is 
quoting them in slanted hit pieces, and who might benefit from any false 
impression of objectivity.


At this point in history, the word "Institute" in the resume of an 
article writer or purveyor of studies should raise a caution flag. Too 
often it may as well be from the "Institute of BS," with a more accurate 
slogan "shamelessly creating fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) to 
benefit our benefactor's bottom line." FUD is a propaganda technique. 
Don't be mislead by FUD.


The referenced article isn't anywhere close to the sort of objective 
work of journalism it pretends to be. It reads like a one-sided advocacy 
component from an astroturf network established to push an agenda.


You can follow the money to see who may be attempting to benefit. For 
example:


https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Manhattan_Institute_for_Policy_Research

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Consumer_Institute#Related_SourceWatch_articles

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Institute_for_Energy_Research

Regarding EVs and renewable energy, a self-selecting straw poll on EVDL 
won't be scientific of course. That said, we run our EV on renewable 
energy.


Even if we just used our standard utility mix our EV would already be 
cleaner now and continue to get cleaner in the future as our utility 
gets cleaner. It's one of many clear benefits of EVs that 
"RealClearEnergy" may have missed. For some reason.


Cheers,
 -Jamie


On 4/22/19 6:07 AM, Mark Laity-Snyder via EV wrote:

https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2019/04/19/electric_car_subsidies_arent_all_theyre_cracked_up_to_be_110427.html
Electric Car Subsidies Aren't All They're Cracked Up to Be
April 19, 2019 ... The EV tax credit, which has been around since 2008,
offers consumers a subsidy of up to $7,500 off the price of a qualifying EV
...
https://assets.realclear.com/images/46/469842.jpg

A Straw Poll:
How many of you EVangelists charge your cars using renewable power?  The 
article above sited a study that electric cars will not help the environment I 
am assuming because they assume EVs are being charged from power from the power 
company (which in my area means coal fired power plants).  I do agree with the 
premise that the EV subsidy helps wealthier people more than poor folks, since 
if you can afford a brand new Tesla, you have some cash.  But that study sited 
is very suspect.  Most of the people I know around here that have EVs also have 
at least some solar.  While a few have more solar than they can ever hope to 
use themselves (Mark Hanson: take a bow).
So I am just curious. What say you?

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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 78, Issue 23

[Mark Laity-Snyder via EV]

https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2019/04/19/electric_car_subsidies_arent_all_theyre_cracked_up_to_be_110427.html
Electric Car Subsidies Aren't All They're Cracked Up to Be
April 19, 2019 ... The EV tax credit, which has been around since 2008,
offers consumers a subsidy of up to $7,500 off the price of a qualifying EV
...
https://assets.realclear.com/images/46/469842.jpg

A Straw Poll:  
How many of you EVangelists charge your cars using renewable power?  The 
article above sited a study that electric cars will not help the environment I 
am assuming because they assume EVs are being charged from power from the power 
company (which in my area means coal fired power plants).  I do agree with the 
premise that the EV subsidy helps wealthier people more than poor folks, since 
if you can afford a brand new Tesla, you have some cash.  But that study sited 
is very suspect.  Most of the people I know around here that have EVs also have 
at least some solar.  While a few have more solar than they can ever hope to 
use themselves (Mark Hanson: take a bow).  
So I am just curious. What say you?
   
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