Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[John Lussmyer via EV]

Just curious, have you heard of this thing called inflation?
Someone did the calcs, and to get from 40K back then, to 60K now, is 
about 11% inflation per year.

The truck also has more capabilities than it did when announced as well.

On 12/1/2023 8:01 PM, Jorg Brown via EV wrote:

Just curious, Ryan: Now that we know the single-motor version is at least
two years out, and will start at 60K instead of 40K, how does that change
your plans?


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[Jorg Brown via EV]

Just curious, Ryan: Now that we know the single-motor version is at least
two years out, and will start at 60K instead of 40K, how does that change
your plans?

My personal theory is that they were originally going to stick with their
announced pricing, and try to block resale, but then they changed their
mind as they asked themselves, "Hey, why don't WE play the part of the
scalpers?  We could get $20K more for each truck!"

-- Jorg

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 5:27 PM Ryan Fulcher via EV 
wrote:

> If your the second hand buyer, you have no legal obligation to wait a
> year... Lol... Just sayin'
>
> I have two reservations, and am wondering how I'll let a brother or friend
> leverage the second one...  Although, the second (~40k) is a single motor,
> so it might take a year to get to that variant, and so by then I can sell
> my first (~7k) trip motor and update the other to a quad motor plaid
> version, perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[Mr. Sharkey via EV]

> "We were just kidding!"
> -- Someone at Tesla, apparently

What a bunch of douches! Is this really the people we want building 
the future of global land transportation?


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[63urban via EV]

Agreed in every population where safety and security with a decent way of life 
exists population naturally goes into the negative. Sent from my Bell Samsung 
device over Canada's largest network.
 Original message From: paul dove via EV  
Date: 2023-11-15  12:59 p.m.  (GMT-05:00) To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: paul dove 
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EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?  I don't believe population is a 
problem. Greed is the problem.There is plenty here and resources could all be 
recycled.    On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 01:36:35 AM CST, Lawrence 
Winiarski via EV  wrote:    > Would or will YOU agree to 
it?Kind of reminds me of this.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUPOvcolNZg-- 
If we don't halt population growth with justice and compassion, it will be done 
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saying for years that if you buy a Tesla, you don't really own it.It seems that 
goes double for the 
Cybertruck.https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sue-cybertruck-buyers-they-resell-in-first-year-2023-11shortcut
 URL: https://v.gd/QA68vzI'm sure there must be a good reason for this - right? 
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[EV List Lackey via EV]

"We were just kidding!"

-- Someone at Tesla, apparently

https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/15/tesla_reverses_course_on_cybertruck/

Shortcut: https://v.gd/lbK4lJ

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[paul dove via EV]

 I don't believe population is a problem. Greed is the problem.
There is plenty here and resources could all be recycled.
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 01:36:35 AM CST, Lawrence Winiarski via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 > Would or will YOU agree to it?
Kind of reminds me of this.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUPOvcolNZg





-- If we don't halt population growth with justice and compassion, it will be 
done for us by nature, brutally and without pity - and will leave a ravaged 
world. Nobel Laureate Dr. Henry W. Kendall 
 

    On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 04:02:04 PM PST, EV List Lackey via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 I've been saying for years that if you buy a Tesla, you don't really own it.

It seems that goes double for the Cybertruck.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sue-cybertruck-buyers-they-resell-in-
first-year-2023-11

shortcut URL: https://v.gd/QA68vz

I'm sure there must be a good reason for this - right?  

Would or will YOU agree to it?

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[Lawrence Winiarski via EV]

> Would or will YOU agree to it?
Kind of reminds me of this.    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUPOvcolNZg





-- If we don't halt population growth with justice and compassion, it will be 
done for us by nature, brutally and without pity - and will leave a ravaged 
world. Nobel Laureate Dr. Henry W. Kendall 
 

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 04:02:04 PM PST, EV List Lackey via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 I've been saying for years that if you buy a Tesla, you don't really own it.

It seems that goes double for the Cybertruck.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sue-cybertruck-buyers-they-resell-in-
first-year-2023-11

shortcut URL: https://v.gd/QA68vz

I'm sure there must be a good reason for this - right?  

Would or will YOU agree to it?

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it.  Use my 
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[EV@TucsonEV via EV]

Also note that the pdf that the provision is contained in has on the last page -
5 pages of 4

Attention to detail...

Best regards,

Rush Dougherty
TucsonEV
www.TucsonEV.com




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> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?
>
> I've been saying for years that if you buy a Tesla, you don't really own it.
>
> It seems that goes double for the Cybertruck.
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sue-cybertruck-buyers-they-resell-in-
> first-year-2023-11
>
> shortcut URL: https://v.gd/QA68vz
>
> I'm sure there must be a good reason for this - right?
>
> Would or will YOU agree to it?
>
> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[Ryan Fulcher via EV]

If your the second hand buyer, you have no legal obligation to wait a
year... Lol... Just sayin'

I have two reservations, and am wondering how I'll let a brother or friend
leverage the second one...  Although, the second (~40k) is a single motor,
so it might take a year to get to that variant, and so by then I can sell
my first (~7k) trip motor and update the other to a quad motor plaid
version, perhaps, perhaps, perhaps.

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023, 16:55 Jay Summet via EV  wrote:

> If you don't want to agree to the contract, wait a year and then buy it
> used from somebody who did
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[Michael Ross via EV]

Trying to head off the scalpers. Makes sense from that POV.

On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 7:01 PM EV List Lackey via EV 
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> I've been saying for years that if you buy a Tesla, you don't really own
> it.
>
> It seems that goes double for the Cybertruck.
>
> https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sue-cybertruck-buyers-they-resell-in-
> first-year-2023-11
> 
>
> shortcut URL: https://v.gd/QA68vz
>
> I'm sure there must be a good reason for this - right?
>
> Would or will YOU agree to it?
>
> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[Jay Summet via EV]

This is a common type of contract for many high end / high demand 
vehicles.   Some exotic sports cars are only offered to previous good 
customers, and they are prevented from re-selling them for a set time 
period for similar reasons.


As long as you entered into the contract of your own free will, they are 
enforceable in civil courts.



If you don't want to agree to the contract, wait a year and then buy it 
used from somebody who did



Jay

On 11/12/23 19:23, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
Most likely to try and prevent the fake "Tesla dealers".  The truck will 
be in high demand, so they want to prevent scalpers.


On 11/12/2023 3:59 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
I've been saying for years that if you buy a Tesla, you don't really 
own it.


It seems that goes double for the Cybertruck.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sue-cybertruck-buyers-they-resell-in-
first-year-2023-11


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[John Lussmyer via EV]

Most likely to try and prevent the fake "Tesla dealers".  The truck will 
be in high demand, so they want to prevent scalpers.


On 11/12/2023 3:59 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:

I've been saying for years that if you buy a Tesla, you don't really own it.

It seems that goes double for the Cybertruck.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sue-cybertruck-buyers-they-resell-in-
first-year-2023-11


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[EVDL] EVLN: Cybertruck buyer's remorse not allowed?

[EV List Lackey via EV]

I've been saying for years that if you buy a Tesla, you don't really own it.

It seems that goes double for the Cybertruck.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-sue-cybertruck-buyers-they-resell-in-
first-year-2023-11

shortcut URL: https://v.gd/QA68vz

I'm sure there must be a good reason for this - right?  

Would or will YOU agree to it?

David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey

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