Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-10-01 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
Hi, "My motorcycle has 40AH GBS cells of which I use only 2 1/2 C and the cells are still doing great 3 1/2 years later. " To give us some terms of reference, what does your M/C pull in amps at a steady 50mph and 70mph (if you go that fast!) and on strong acceleration? And how many miles do

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-30 Thread David Nelson via EV
I have 16 20Ah GBS cells and all of them off gas what smells like the electrolyte solution. Put them in an enclosed box for a few days and it is really obvious! I have not detected this with my TS or CALB cells. I'm concerned that either the plastic, vent seals, and/or the terminal seals are leakin

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-30 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Lee Hart via EV wrote: I tested 16 GMS-LFMP100AH cells... Correction; should be GBS-LFMP100AH cells. -- Results! Why man, I have gotten a lot of results. I know several thousand things that won't work. -- Thomas A. Edison -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm _

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-30 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Byron James via EV wrote: Yikes - the GBS specs call out max continuous discharge <3C. I would be careful pulling 5C. A Local GBS distributor destroyed, within a month, GBS cells charging and discharging GBS cells at 3C... I tested 16 GMS-LFMP100AH cells. I found two bad ones as delivered (sig

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-30 Thread Byron James via EV
Steve Clunn wrote "Didn't know you where testing so many cells , I just put 66 60 ah GBS's in a BMW they seem to be doing good. time will tell, they are dishing out 5 c without the cell voltage dropping below 3v ." Yikes - the GBS specs call out max continuous discharge < 3C. I would be careful

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-30 Thread Steve Clunn via EV
> > Marcus Reddish via EV wrote: > >> Are these the old white Thunder sky cells that failed? Seem to remember a > >> picture of them leaking. Is it possible folks charged those early cells > >> like they were lead and caused (or contributed to) the failures? I have > >> not heard of any bad "batch"

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-24 Thread Marcus Reddish via EV
Hi Lee, Just wanted to check if it was 3rd-hand reports or not. If you say they were bad cells, they were bad cells. Are there any testing statistics on the more modern Chinese cells (Yellow Thundersky, Blue CALB, etc)? Seems like people report a bad cell here or there but not the categorical fa

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 23 Sep 2014 at 18:09, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > I've continued to borrow, barter, and buy various lithiums for testing. > Prismatics and cylindrical, LiCo, LiMn, LiFe etc. They have > *consistently* failed to meet specs. http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2008/05/charge-keep David Roden

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-23 Thread George Tyler via EV
Have you ever tested Enerdel batteries? Lee Hart wrote: My earliest ones were from a group buy organized by Victor Tikhonov in 2003. They were white prismatic Lithium-Cobalt cells, in both 90ah and 100ah models. Some of the 100ah cells were OK (maybe 3 out of 4 worked, but didn't meet specs). *All

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-23 Thread Chris Meier via EV
Lee, Are those A123 still on the market? I haven't kept up on the batteries/companies. Are the test results available? Can you send me a CSV or similar? -Chris Mr23 at Comcast dot net On September 23, 2014 6:09:39 PM CDT, Lee Hart via EV wrote: >Marcus Reddish via EV wrote: >>> Are these t

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-23 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Marcus Reddish via EV wrote: Are these the old white Thunder sky cells that failed? Seem to remember a picture of them leaking. Is it possible folks charged those early cells like they were lead and caused (or contributed to) the failures? I have not heard of any bad "batch" since the white cells

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-23 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
in return? As they say, caveat emptor. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Woodcock via EV" To: "Byron James" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 23-Sep-14 7:42:07 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China On Sep 23, 2014,

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-23 Thread Bill Woodcock via EV
On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Byron James via EV wrote: > Mathew, > > Check out these Colorado companies: > http://evolveelectrics.com/ > http://boulderhc.com/services/ Also K2 Energy. We’ve gotten packs from them. http://www.k2battery.com/battery-packs.html

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-23 Thread Buddy Mills via EV
: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Subject: Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China Mathew, Check out these Colorado companies: http://evolveelectrics.com/ http://boulderhc.com/services/ Evolve can provide the parts and Boulder Hybrids can assembly the battery pack with BMS even

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-23 Thread Byron James via EV
Mathew, Check out these Colorado companies: http://evolveelectrics.com/ http://boulderhc.com/services/ Evolve can provide the parts and Boulder Hybrids can assembly the battery pack with BMS even though its not listed as a standard service. Best, Byron On Sep 22, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Matthew

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-22 Thread Rick Beebe via EV
Talk to Don Blazer (theoldc...@aol.com). He's been importing cells and reselling them for a while. I bought my pack from him and was very happy with the service. --Rick On 09/22/2014 12:33 PM, Matthew Parkhouse via EV wrote: > I remember the Thundersky problem.. > This is exactly why I am ask

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-22 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 09/22/2014 11:55 AM, Marcus Reddish via EV wrote: Are these the old white Thunder sky cells that failed? Seem to remember a picture of them leaking. Is it possible folks charged those early cells like they were lead and caused (or contributed to) the failures? I have not heard of any bad "

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-22 Thread Marcus Reddish via EV
Are these the old white Thunder sky cells that failed? Seem to remember a picture of them leaking. Is it possible folks charged those early cells like they were lead and caused (or contributed to) the failures? I have not heard of any bad "batch" since the white cells, which was ages ago. I ha

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-22 Thread Matthew Parkhouse via EV
I have been a Registered Nurse since 1986, an LPN since my Army medic days. Combined with being a factory trained BMW motorcycle mechanic, I've had a very interesting career path and a GREAT skill set. Got disabled by some botched gall bladder surgery a few years ago (at the hospital I worked

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-22 Thread Matthew Parkhouse via EV
I remember the Thundersky problem.. This is exactly why I am asking the EVDlist for "real life" experiences bringing a small order (48 volt and 120 battery pack that came from China). Sounds a bit scarey, has this happened to any of us? Two outfits have said they will ship to my favourite

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-22 Thread Lee Hart via EV
It's been a number of years, but I participated in a group buy from Thundersky. Basically, they shipped us floor sweepings; rejects, old stock, and junk. You need to understand that Chinese businesses are not bound by any of the legal protections and ethics of US firms. Many of them take full ad

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-22 Thread Willie2 via EV
On 09/22/2014 05:41 AM, Matthew Parkhouse via EV wrote: Hello All Has anyone had any experience with ordering lithium battery packs from China? If so, how is the transaction at our port cities. Apparently, these companies only ship to our ports. I bought a batch of ThunderSkys from Evergreen

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-22 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
RN =... • Niger (international vehicle registration).[from French République du Niger .] • (chiefly in North America) Registered Nurse. • (in the UK) Royal Navy. ? On 22 Sep 2014, at 11:41, Matthew Parkhouse via EV wrote: > Hello All > Has anyone had any experience with ordering lithium batte

Re: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-22 Thread Russ Sciville via EV
quick Google may find others. Russ On Mon, 22/9/14, Matthew Parkhouse via EV wrote: Subject: [EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Date: Monday, 22 September, 2014, 11:41 Hello All Has

[EVDL] Lithium batteries direct from China

2014-09-22 Thread Matthew Parkhouse via EV
Hello All Has anyone had any experience with ordering lithium battery packs from China? If so, how is the transaction at our port cities. Apparently, these companies only ship to our ports. Thanks! Matthew Parkhouse, RN hobomatt@ aol.com > ___ UNS