Re: [EVDL] Low cost solar, virtual power plant

2015-05-05 Thread Michael Ross via EV
What SC offers is a way for homeowners who are not flush to get something
in the way of renewable energy going.  It you are just scraping by, you can
build a purpose made structure for PV, you may not even have the credit or
collateral  for a $15k or $20 financed installation.

So yes it is lacks the greatest return, but the fact it is possible at all
makes it pretty wonderful. You simply agree to the process and your power
bill drops.  You don't have to understand much - that means yt]ou can go to
work , or soccer practice, or your second job instead of researching PV and
rate schedules.

Not optimal?  Not everyone can get optimal.

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:26 AM, jerry freedomev via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
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  Hi Cor and All,  Fact is as much as I like SC
 leasing is very expensive compared to owning.  SC makes almost ALL the
 money though makes clean power which isn't bad. But the low
 cost high profit way owning is far better with paybacks in many places
 under 3, even 2 yrs or places like Hawaii, 1 yr. How is
 cutting out all the parasites by buying the parts, kits from places like
 sunelec/dmsolar and having a local electrician to permit, install or do
 your own.  This comes under $2k/kw. No reason to pay more.
 Next don't put it on the house roof unless the only choice. Much better to
 make a porch, carport, patio, awnings, shed, etc added value while avoiding
 huge engineering fees and making it easier to clean, maintain and
 install.   Done right the added value of say a carport or shed
 and solar system  could increase the home's value several x's cost making
 it very profitable from day 1.   As for Tesla's battery it can
 make a profit in places like Cal Time of Day pricing, other higher rate
 areas, but really too costly.   It needs to be under $200/kwhr and soon as
 Tesla/SC makes the market, many other stationary battery types under that
 price, many with unlimited life, will pop up.  Sadly most
 utilities don't understand how DG, home solar can work with them to lower
 their cost supplying near pollution free power.  US utilities are going to
 keep shrinking, they have for yrs, and need to plan on generating a lot
 less, transporting others power to make profit or they will go bankrupt as
 few will keep paying more for polluting power when the solution is a phone
 call away.  Not just producing your home's energy needs but
 freeing one from ever higher transport fuel costs with EV's as part of the
 system lowers energy costs 50-75% with little pollution, is a hard to beat
 energy future.Jerry Dycus
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Re: [EVDL] Low cost solar, virtual power plant

2015-05-05 Thread jerry freedomev via EV
 Hi Cor and All,  Fact is as much as I like SC 
leasing is very expensive compared to owning.  SC makes almost ALL the money 
though makes clean power which isn't bad. But the low cost high 
profit way owning is far better with paybacks in many places under 3, even 2 
yrs or places like Hawaii, 1 yr. How is cutting out all the 
parasites by buying the parts, kits from places like sunelec/dmsolar and having 
a local electrician to permit, install or do your own.  This comes under 
$2k/kw. No reason to pay more.    Next don't put it on the house 
roof unless the only choice. Much better to make a porch, carport, patio, 
awnings, shed, etc added value while avoiding huge engineering fees and making 
it easier to clean, maintain and install.   Done right the added 
value of say a carport or shed and solar system  could increase the home's 
value several x's cost making it very profitable from day 1.   As 
for Tesla's battery it can make a profit in places like Cal Time of Day 
pricing, other higher rate areas, but really too costly.   It needs to be under 
$200/kwhr and soon as Tesla/SC makes the market, many other stationary battery 
types under that  price, many with unlimited life, will pop up.  
Sadly most utilities don't understand how DG, home solar can work with them to 
lower their cost supplying near pollution free power.  US utilities are going 
to keep shrinking, they have for yrs, and need to plan on generating a lot 
less, transporting others power to make profit or they will go bankrupt as few 
will keep paying more for polluting power when the solution is a phone call 
away.  Not just producing your home's energy needs but freeing one 
from ever higher transport fuel costs with EV's as part of the system lowers 
energy costs 50-75% with little pollution, is a hard to beat energy future. 
   Jerry Dycus 
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