Lee. Auminum is also on the problem list same any other that Russia has a
major portion of global production. They are a top source for ag chemicals:
nitrogen, potash and phosphorus fertilizers. In the US we won't be
strained, but it's a problem elsewhere. We (the global we) don't grow food
enough
https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >>
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From: "Lee Hart via EV"
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
Cc: "Lee Hart"
Sent: 19-May-23 12:30:55
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Why Toyota Isn't Rushing to Sell You an Electric
Michael Ross via EV wrote:
On 19 May 2023 at 23:32, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> THere are so many other sources of un-supply that are needed for EVs.
> Basically the supply chains are going to be hosed for a good minimum of
> 10 years.
This is like any other product supply situation.
If big business decides that
Hi Lee,
There are many ways to quibble over this. The accounting I read estimates
the copper that is used in all the ICE currently on the road worldwide, and
estimates the total copper in a 100% BEV global fleet to be 5 times
greater. During the course of retiring that ICE fleet there would be
I too think this isn't a big deal. The market price of copper will force
creativity. The Chinese already sell a LOT of CCA. (Copper Clad Aluminum),
Horrible stuff!
Tesla has done a lot to reduce copper use. If you've ever looked at a
wiring harness on a Model 3 or Y, most of the wires are so
Michael Ross via EV wrote:
An EV on average requires 5 times as much copper as an ICEV...
That seems a bit extreme. ICEs are also increasingly loaded with copper,
thanks to the preponderance of creature features and infotainment systems.
Copper is also highly recyclable, and there are
An EV on average requires 5 times as much copper as an ICEV. Copper
production is stuck at that level and only supports the paltry (compared to
current ICE production and the global number of ICE) global EV production.
It will be more than a decade before copper mining can reach the level
needed
I read somewhere that Toyota may have been reacting to the US
government's 1990's forward looking "Partnership for a New Generation of
Vehicles" program which included only domestic auto manufacturers and
was showing results toward 80mpg - and when PNGV was subsequently
cancelled by Bush
Toyota is listed on the New York Stock Exchange (as well as other stock
exchanges): TM. I held that stock for a number of years until I decided I did
not like their philosophy on EV’s. I owned a first generation 2002 RAV4-EV and
loved that car (I removed the rear seats to make it into a
Back in the early 2000's, Bill Moore, publisher of EV World, was in
the Toyota Museum in Japan. He was speaking with the Director of the
Museum and Bill asked about Toyota planning with respect to hydrogen
fuel cells and electric vehicles. This was at a time when CARB was
dissing EVs for
It is odd that Toyota has not embraced full EVs. However they do have good plug
in hybrid offerings now. I recently traded my Volt in for a Rav4 Prime and I
really like it. It was the only car that fit my needs: 40 miles electric, 40
MPG on gas, AWD, and 2000 lb towing capacity. I do a fair
On 19 May 2023 at 0:00, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> They seem to want to go bankrupt.
Toyota is like Fiat (at least used to be) - wedded to the ICE. At top
management level, they seem to despise the very idea of true EVs.
I'm obvously not an insider, but I suspect that Toyota developed
Toyota is a closely held business. I believe it may be owned by a family.
They were on the forefront of alternative fuels for many years, but they
stubbornly would not come out with a battery powered vehicle, until
everyone else came out with one and they basically had no choice.
I suspect
They seem to want to go bankrupt. Their resistance to battery EVs is
irresponsible. It is a matter of time. They can catch up but it will take
time. Their hydrogen side track is not helping. Lawrence Rhodes
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Here, you guys can get one of these.
https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-outsold-china-hong-guang-mini-ev-2021-5?
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On Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 6:29 PM, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
Since we are railing against the "Man" today (Auto Manufacturers):
Since we are railing against the "Man" today (Auto Manufacturers):
https://jalopnik.com/toyota-focusing-on-hybrids-not-electric-vehicles-1850440908
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