Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (Spy shots)> USPS's New Electric US Postal/Mail Truck

2017-10-15 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Support has to be there from the top, and it has to be generated downward, or 
once again, the effort won't be successful.

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> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:28 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV  
> wrote:
> 
> The USPS has flirted with EVs off and on since the 1970s.  They've run 
> pilots and prototypes.  I remember an AMC-made Jeep body conversion in the 
> 1970s.  In the the early 1980s, the infamous ill-fated Commuter Vehicles 
> postal vans went far wide of the USPS's requirements, essentially putting 
> the final nails in CVI's coffin.  Also in the early 80s were rather nice 
> boxy prototype postal vehicles built by either AM General or Grumman (I 
> forget which) and based on the VW Rabbit; at least some of these were fitted 
> with an EV drivetrain.  
> 
> In the  early 2000s the USPS had a small and IIRC rather short-lived affair 
> with postal vehicles using Grumman LLV bodies on Ford Ranger EV pickup 
> chassis (the current ICE LLV uses an old Chevrolet S10 chassis design, and 
> gets an excruciating 9mpg).  The Ford-based EV LLVs I think were deployed 
> only in California.  Maybe Bruce remembers more about these, and will 
> correct any errors I've made.
> 
> None of these trial programs has ever led to serious EV adoption by the 
> USPS.  They seemed to be more window dressing than anything, and I also 
> heard rumors of outright sabotage by their mechanics (this has happened with 
> many corporate EV fleet tests in the past).
> 
> The USPS wants a $25-35k price tag for this new delivery vehicle.  I can't 
> imagine the one described here coming in anywhere near that, especially 
> since it isn't a pure BEV, but rather a true series hybrid, with a small 
> onboard range-extension genset.
> 
> I may be making too many assumptions, but despite what they say, I don't 
> really think the USPS's top brass want EVs.  So I have some doubts that 
> we'll end up with a BEV or even a true hybrid delivering our mail.  But we 
> can hope.
> 
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EVDL Administrator
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (Spy shots)> USPS's New Electric US Postal/Mail Truck

2017-10-15 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
The USPS has flirted with EVs off and on since the 1970s.  They've run 
pilots and prototypes.  I remember an AMC-made Jeep body conversion in the 
1970s.  In the the early 1980s, the infamous ill-fated Commuter Vehicles 
postal vans went far wide of the USPS's requirements, essentially putting 
the final nails in CVI's coffin.  Also in the early 80s were rather nice 
boxy prototype postal vehicles built by either AM General or Grumman (I 
forget which) and based on the VW Rabbit; at least some of these were fitted 
with an EV drivetrain.  

In the  early 2000s the USPS had a small and IIRC rather short-lived affair 
with postal vehicles using Grumman LLV bodies on Ford Ranger EV pickup 
chassis (the current ICE LLV uses an old Chevrolet S10 chassis design, and 
gets an excruciating 9mpg).  The Ford-based EV LLVs I think were deployed 
only in California.  Maybe Bruce remembers more about these, and will 
correct any errors I've made.

None of these trial programs has ever led to serious EV adoption by the 
USPS.  They seemed to be more window dressing than anything, and I also 
heard rumors of outright sabotage by their mechanics (this has happened with 
many corporate EV fleet tests in the past).

The USPS wants a $25-35k price tag for this new delivery vehicle.  I can't 
imagine the one described here coming in anywhere near that, especially 
since it isn't a pure BEV, but rather a true series hybrid, with a small 
onboard range-extension genset.

I may be making too many assumptions, but despite what they say, I don't 
really think the USPS's top brass want EVs.  So I have some doubts that 
we'll end up with a BEV or even a true hybrid delivering our mail.  But we 
can hope.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
EVDL Administrator

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