Re: [EVDL] To Noalox, or Not to Noalox

2014-08-08 Thread brucedp5 via EV
I had some experience using Noalox, I hope the following is useful ... Way back in my early EV years, when heard the snoWhite Electric race car http://web.stanford.edu/dept/SUL/library/extra4/sloan/EVonline/evaosc/9404/page8.htm http://www.cafeelectric.com/images/Snowhite1.jpg was using Noalox

Re: [EVDL] To Noalox, or Not to Noalox

2014-08-08 Thread Martin WINLOW via EV
I think REAP's results speak for themselves. Brushing is quite a bit easier than sanding but just watch you dont short a pair of terminals if you are using a long steel-wired brush! But as Michael suggests, in a damp environment, such as a marine application for example, the Noalox might

Re: [EVDL] To Noalox, or Not to Noalox

2014-08-07 Thread Rick Beebe via EV
REAP Systems in England did test that in a lab last year. You can see a video presentation they did on the EVTV web site. Go to video archives, August 16, 2013. A direct link is http://media3.ev-tv.me/news081613-iPhone.m4v. The presentation starts at 23 minutes and the results are around 36

Re: [EVDL] To Noalox, or Not to Noalox

2014-08-07 Thread Michael Ross via EV
The theory that is being proposed is that the noalox or grease will provide better results over some time in service - particularly where there are dissimilar metals in contact. That makes sense to me. I like the idea of brushing much better than sanding. But, fine grit polishing sounds OK to

Re: [EVDL] To Noalox, or Not to Noalox (was: Lithium battery setpoints...)

2014-07-31 Thread Michael Ross via EV
Thanks for the level-headed reply Bill. You described three functions - grease excluding moisture, zinc as a sacrificial anode, and somehow removing aluminum oxide by sanding. Here on this list I have been persuaded that the grease excluding moisture is likely a good idea. Pick one that won't

Re: [EVDL] To Noalox, or Not to Noalox (was: Lithium battery setpoints...)

2014-07-31 Thread Bill Dube via EV
That is the theory and it seems to be confirmed by two experiments. When the cells arrive, the terminals are often noticeably covered with corrosion. Perhaps this corrosion is due to prolonged exposure to the sea environment during shipment, or to corrosive chemicals used during manufacture.

Re: [EVDL] To Noalox, or Not to Noalox (was: Lithium battery setpoints...)

2014-07-31 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
My take on this is that the zinc is redundant. I use petroleum jelly. Certainly not a conductor. At a microscopic level each metal surface in the joint has pronounced peaks and valleys. Only the peaks touch. The grease, being a fluid, displaces to fill the voids and the many localized pressure

Re: [EVDL] To Noalox, or Not to Noalox

2014-07-31 Thread Lee Hart via EV
Michael Ross via EV wrote: I can't for the life of me figure out why a highly resistive dielectric grease (mentioned by others) is a better choice than a conductive grease... The grease is only filling the gaps (asperities) between the two metals. There is no grease at the contact points --

Re: [EVDL] To Noalox, or Not to Noalox

2014-07-31 Thread Bill Dube via EV
At 01:41 PM 7/31/2014, Lee Hart via EV wrote: I find it depressing to see how badly designed the terminals are on these cells. My first reaction was what idiot would use aluminum for high-current connections in a high harsh automotive environment? I agree totally. However, you get what you

Re: [EVDL] To Noalox, or Not to Noalox (was: Lithium battery setpoints...)

2014-07-31 Thread Lawrence Harris via EV
Remember that in almost any connection there is always an oxide layer. The purpose of the sanding is to remove enough of this so that a reasonable pressure between the wire/strap and the connection can break through this layer and form a gas tight connection. The grease is just there to keep