[Evangelism] Re: Article: Is Plone a Good CMS
Karl Horak wrote: >"Sandia relies heavily on SharePoint for internal information silos and now > has an external SP server. However, Plone is easier to customize for > project brand identification, goes beyond mere document management, is far > more usable, has almost unlimited flexibility, and can be ported to our > international partners without a huge MS price tag." Don't make people search for an elevator pitch like this. Such quotes belong in big on the front-page of plone.org Every week another one. "Plone Quote of the week" Here is mine: "I just saw your demo of Plone. Now I'm confused: last week I saw a demo about Sharepoint. Or Plone is really superior to sharepoint in many ways, or I saw a really bad demo about sharepoint." - Business manager of a very large Belgian IT-company. -- Greets, WouterVH ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
Re: [Evangelism] Re: Article: Is Plone a Good CMS
I think there's some really good points in there. Some mentioned that there was some new marketing collateral being prepared for the website at some point but I'm not sure by who or with what input. Anyone know? On 10/08/2009, at 7:12 PM, Wouter Vanden Hove wrote: Dylan Jay wrote: Last conference there was a marketing sprint. Are you going to be there? I'd like to be involved in a marketing sprint where work on completing some of the tasks you outline such as creating comparisons sheets and gathering testimonials and putting them on plone.org. It would be nice to a concrete set of tasks to achieve before we hit the sprint (how? anyone? Task for a plone-marketing theme: It is very instructive to compare the plone.org website with for example openerp.com and its community website www.openobject.com openerp.com is a marketing website that actually tries to convince people (developers & decision makers) to try out openerp. Compared to that I don't know what plone.org is. Really I don't. It not really geared toward developers, not for new users, not for evaluating decision makers. As a plone developer and consultant I never use plone.org directly except some deep burried bookmarked pages. I daily visit planet plone, trac and the lists, but I don't use the plone.org website by itself, except the searchbox. I don't even use plone.org to refer possible clients to. Because it contains mostly useless information for them (talking mainly about the homepage), it doesn't even look nice. (Nobody I asked liked the new layout of plone.org, *all* feedback was negative) Instead I refer them to plone.net/case-studies plone.net has an even worse layout, but it answers some important questions new possible plone-users always have first like "who is using it". www.plone.org is not winning any new market-share for Plone. It rather contributes to loosing market-share. If you want to introduce Plone into a corporate environment, plone.org is not the way to go. I really don't want to troll, but I'm saying this mainly because www.plone.org reminds me of the boiled frog. Did you know you can actually boil a frog by dropping it into cold water and then by gradually heating the water until it's boiling? The frog doesn't notice it because it's so gradual. but it wil react to sudden temperature changes, if you would drop a frog into very warm water, it'll jump out directly. There are so many things wrong on the plone-marketing level, that I feel that we as the plone-community behave too much like a soon-to-be-boiled-frog. small example besides the homepage: http://plone.org/about is the most important link on the homepage that you want new people to follow. If one of the content-editors of a plone-site that I maintain would create such a dull page: http://plone.org/about I would probably shoot him. Andreas Jung created this page http://zope2.zopyx.de/about-zope-2/six-reasons-for-using-zope/zope-is-secure Now this page by itself is 1000.000X more powerful to a corporate decision-maker than the whole of plone.org That page blows people off their socks, plone.org just scares people away. w. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
[Evangelism] Re: Article: Is Plone a Good CMS
Dylan Jay wrote: > Last conference there was a marketing sprint. Are you going to be there? > I'd like to be involved in a marketing sprint where work on completing > some of the tasks you outline such as creating comparisons sheets and > gathering testimonials and putting them on plone.org. It would be nice > to a concrete set of tasks to achieve before we hit the sprint (how? > anyone? Task for a plone-marketing theme: It is very instructive to compare the plone.org website with for example openerp.com and its community website www.openobject.com openerp.com is a marketing website that actually tries to convince people (developers & decision makers) to try out openerp. Compared to that I don't know what plone.org is. Really I don't. It not really geared toward developers, not for new users, not for evaluating decision makers. As a plone developer and consultant I never use plone.org directly except some deep burried bookmarked pages. I daily visit planet plone, trac and the lists, but I don't use the plone.org website by itself, except the searchbox. I don't even use plone.org to refer possible clients to. Because it contains mostly useless information for them (talking mainly about the homepage), it doesn't even look nice. (Nobody I asked liked the new layout of plone.org, *all* feedback was negative) Instead I refer them to plone.net/case-studies plone.net has an even worse layout, but it answers some important questions new possible plone-users always have first like "who is using it". www.plone.org is not winning any new market-share for Plone. It rather contributes to loosing market-share. If you want to introduce Plone into a corporate environment, plone.org is not the way to go. I really don't want to troll, but I'm saying this mainly because www.plone.org reminds me of the boiled frog. Did you know you can actually boil a frog by dropping it into cold water and then by gradually heating the water until it's boiling? The frog doesn't notice it because it's so gradual. but it wil react to sudden temperature changes, if you would drop a frog into very warm water, it'll jump out directly. There are so many things wrong on the plone-marketing level, that I feel that we as the plone-community behave too much like a soon-to-be-boiled-frog. small example besides the homepage: http://plone.org/about is the most important link on the homepage that you want new people to follow. If one of the content-editors of a plone-site that I maintain would create such a dull page: http://plone.org/about I would probably shoot him. Andreas Jung created this page http://zope2.zopyx.de/about-zope-2/six-reasons-for-using-zope/zope-is-secure Now this page by itself is 1000.000X more powerful to a corporate decision-maker than the whole of plone.org That page blows people off their socks, plone.org just scares people away. w. ___ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/evangelism
