Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-11 Thread John M
Bruno and George, amazing how accurately you describe in math words what I wrote in 1998 and put on the WEB in 1999, based on the 1997 paper (Pre-Geometric origins) of Rainer Zimmermann - the NARRATIVE (no math) of the (no Plato-based)Plenitude - Bigbangs unlimited, including ours. No

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-11 Thread George Levy
Bruno Marchal wrote: At 15:51 10/05/04 -0700, George Levy wrote: BM: But you agree there is no plenitude without an UD. GL: No I don't agree. I don't agree that the UD is the origin of all things. But to say that there is no plenitude without an UD does not mean that the UD is the origin of

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-11 Thread George Levy
Russell OK. You are suffering from 3rd person thinking which leads you to these conclusions: 1) As a scientist experimenting with this simulated creature, you have absolutely no evidence that this creature is conscious. 2) You believe that the creature (conscious or unconscious) is stuck in

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-11 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear George, My take of Russell's post is: Unless the creature had some experience that was not dismissible as a hallucination (1st person) and/or was witness by others (a proxy of 3rd person?) that lead him to the conclusion that it existed within a virtual reality then it would have no

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-11 Thread George Levy
Hi Stephen Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear George, My take of Russell's post is: Unless the creature had some experience that was not dismissible as a hallucination (1st person) and/or was witness by others (a proxy of 3rd person?) that lead him to the conclusion that

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-11 Thread Eric Hawthorne
I saw the documentary movie Tibet: Cry of the Snow Lion the other day. In one scene, a group of monks is sitting around in a circle, and the Dalai Llama is overseeing. The monks are industriously and methodically placing individual tiny coloured beads (there are maybe 4 or 5 colours) around

More on mandalas

2004-05-11 Thread Eric Hawthorne
The other thing to note about mandalas is that there can be more than one possible pattern that would maintain order and recursive complexity as it expands outward (i.e. forward in time). However, an observer subpattern embedded in one mandala (and created by ITS rules of order) can only see

Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
At 15:51 10/05/04 -0700, George Levy wrote: BM: But you agree there is no plenitude without an UD. GL: No I don't agree. I don't agree that the UD is the origin of all things. But to say that there is no plenitude without an UD does not mean that the UD is the origin of all things. This is