Re: Smullyan Shmullyan, give me a real example

2006-05-29 Thread Kim Jones
Rich, are you familiar with the work of R.D. Laing? He was the illustrious founder of the anti-psychiatry movement in the 60s. One never hears of him these days. He had all the other thinkers on the hop for quite a while. Your thoughts represent no interruption whatsoever. Kim On

RE: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Russell Standish writes: Even though it is very unlikely to happen in reality, it is easy enough to imagine that the relatively minor physical/psychological changes that have occurred in the past day are exaggerated, so that instead of changing from me-yesterday to me-today, I change from

RE: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread John M
I read the remark of Russell and Satathis's reply with great interest. Russell wrote (among others): * ...The change into Napoleon is a difference in kind, not degree, as one would have to pass through non-functional brain structures in order to change from me to him. * reflecting a

RE: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread John M
L'esprit de l'escalier: after reading my post below as an interesting list-post it occurred that I left out an important addage: I may feel as the same person (self) in my earlier life and situations - I do not IDENTIFY with 'it'. I know: it is me but not I am like that. Not even: I was like that

Re: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 07:15:33PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: I don't see why you are so sure about the necessity of passing through non-functional brain structures going from you to Napoleon. After all, there is a continuous sequence of intermediates between you and a fertilized

Re: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread Jesse Mazer
Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 07:15:33PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: I don't see why you are so sure about the necessity of passing through non-functional brain structures going from you to Napoleon. After all, there is a continuous sequence of intermediates

Re: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread Saibal Mitra
There must exist a ''high level'' program that specifies a person in terms of qualia. These qualia are ultimately defined by the way neurons are connected, but you could also think of persons in terms of the high-level algorithm, instead of the ''machine language'' level algorithm specified by

Re: Ascension (was Re: Smullyan Shmullyan, give me a real example)

2006-05-29 Thread Tom Caylor
Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 26-mai-06, à 19:35, Tom Caylor a écrit : Bruno, You are starting to perturb me! I guess that comes with the territory where you're leading us. You should not worry too much. I confess I am putting your mind in the state of mathematicians before the Babbage

Re: Ascension (was Re: Smullyan Shmullyan, give me a real example)

2006-05-29 Thread Tom Caylor
I meant that it makes intuitive sense that you *cannot* sequence effectively on all computable growing functions. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group,