Re: Libet's experimental result re-evaluated!

2012-08-08 Thread Russell Standish
I never thought it did in the first place. What is BFD? On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 09:40:02PM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22144-brain-might-not-stand-in-the-way-of-free-will.html This is a BFD! -- Onward! Stephen Nature, to be commanded,

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 11:24:59AM -0400, John Clark wrote: Yes I agree that is certainly needed, and yet I see on this very list endless debates about if people have free will or not or if God exists or not and there is not the slightest agreement about what free will or God means. People

Re: God has no name

2012-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Aug 2012, at 21:03, Stephen P. King wrote: On 8/7/2012 5:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Stephen, On 8/6/2012 8:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: [SPK] Which is the definition I use. Any one that actually thinks that God is a person, could be a person, or is the complement (anti) of

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Aug 2012, at 17:24, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I would be very interested if a theory of everything exists, but there is no reason ti think it must. That is why we need a bit of faith in fundamental research. The theory either

Re: Libet's experimental result re-evaluated!

2012-08-08 Thread L.W. Sterritt
Libet's work is really dated. Soon et al, in Nature Neuroscience/ May 2008 report time delays of several seconds. This does require explanation - more sophisticated measurements that are not so easy to dismiss. L.W.Sterritt On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Russell Standish wrote: I never

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: I do claim to know what I mean by free will, Well maybe you do know what free will means but the trouble is you are unable to communicate that understanding to any of your fellow human beings and certainly not to me. That's

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:31 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/6/2012 1:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I agree. In fact denying God is a way to impose some other God. I don't think we can live more than one second without some belief in some God. I disagree. We live very well just

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 08 Aug 2012, at 00:18, John Mikes wrote: Dear Bruno, congrats to yur interjected question: What does not exist then? It is cute. If I really HAVE to reply: The R e s t of the world. And if you insist to spell it out, you just 'create' it. G G I appreciate your mostly agreeing

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: With this thing you call comp if matter is organized in certain ways then the adjective conscious can be used to describe it and that's all that can be said about consciousness; ? I have no answer because I don't

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread meekerdb
On 8/8/2012 8:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 07 Aug 2012, at 17:24, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: No, I find that normal. Atheism needs a precise notion of God to make, but all serious theologian and mystics tend to

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread meekerdb
On 8/8/2012 10:05 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:31 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/6/2012 1:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I agree. In fact denying God is a way to impose some other God. I don't think we

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread John Mikes
Bruno, your reply is appreciable (I donot use the pun: remarkable and write 'remarks' to it); On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 08 Aug 2012, at 00:18, John Mikes wrote: Dear Bruno, congrats to yur interjected question: *What does not exist then?*

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:59 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/8/2012 10:05 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:31 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/6/2012 1:22 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I agree. In fact denying God is a way to impose some

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-08 Thread meekerdb
On 8/8/2012 2:31 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: So, according to you, we're always wrong to deny the existence of anything because to do so brings it into existence. We can't even have a clear conception of it without affirming its existence. I suppose that will find