On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 11:24:59AM -0400, John Clark wrote:
> Yes I agree that is certainly needed, and yet I see on this very list
> endless debates about if people have free will or not or if God exists or
> not and there is not the slightest agreement about what "free will" or
> "God" means. People very very literally don't know what they're talking
> about, but whatever they're talking about they are doing so with great
> passion. It's no wonder the debate never goes anywhere!

I don't think the second sentence follows from the first. I do claim
to know what I mean by "free will", which in accord with how Bruno
uses it, but I also note that there tends to be no agreement on the
term, and that the debates typically shed more heat than light, so I
usually delete all threads with "free will" in the title without
reading them.

I can only surmise that the religious crowd have appropriated free
will for their own purposes, and the anti-religious crowd seem to be
hell bent on showing the nonsensical nature of that usage, rather than
simply using a more sensible definition and getting on with it.

As for "God", if a Christian asks me, I would say I'm an atheist. It
most clearly describes my position in terms they understand. If it is
someone aware of philosophical nuances, I might give a more nuanced
answer, such as Einstein's "I believe in Spinoza's god".

Is that so hard for the militant atheists to get?


Prof Russell Standish                  Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
Principal, High Performance Coders
Visiting Professor of Mathematics      hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
University of New South Wales          http://www.hpcoders.com.au

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