Re: Re: the many faces of truth

2012-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb Fine. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/1/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-30, 14:46:16 Subject: Re: the many faces of truth On

Re: Re: Numbers in the Platonic Realm

2012-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb My reaction is that nothing is perfect in this world anyway. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 12/1/2012 Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-30,

Re: iconic reasoning for semantic purposes

2012-12-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Nov 2012, at 13:33, Roger Clough wrote: Hi everything-list Perhaps Penrose's emphasis of intution, and the noncomputability thereof, is that intuition is is closely related to meaning, to semantics. I think that a necessary feature of any machine to emulate human thought is to be

Re: the many faces of truth

2012-12-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Nov 2012, at 15:05, Roger Clough wrote: the many faces of truth I believe that there are many forms of truth, each form depending on how it is defined. So I guess I am a nominalist. Or a pragmatist. Same difference. Russell's and Aristotle's form of truth would be truth by

Re: Nothing happens in the Universe of the Everett Interpretation

2012-12-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Nov 2012, at 16:32, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Richard, On 28 Nov 2012, at 12:18, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno, Does any or all forms of energy come from arithmetic? Yes. All forms (in the sense of stable

Re: Re: the many faces of truth

2012-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, the Greeks had some kind of Trinity. So did the Hindus. But the meanings are different than those of the Christian trinity. The meanings of the Greek trinity figures include the Demiurge (Satan, sort of) so are not identical to the Christian trinity. And the Hindu Trinity

Climate change

2012-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Russell Standish Be that as it may, even a study over the last millenium would be based on inadequate data compared to the data from the Vostok ice cores. The hockey stick data used by Gore and others could possibly be a real change, but it pales in comparison:

The sad state of modern science

2012-12-01 Thread Roger Clough
http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science November 29, 2012 at 9:27 AM The sad state of modern science Two stories today illustrate the levels of corruption that now percolate through many fields of science, helped by a willing and

Re: Reason is, and ever ought to be, the slave of passion.

2012-12-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Nov 2012, at 19:23, meekerdb wrote: On 11/30/2012 1:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hume uses that argument as a basis for his dictum: Reason is, and ever ought to be, the slave of passion. Meaning that one should not kill just because it is logical, etc. I agree. The heart knows,

Re: Outline for a Semiotic Computationalism

2012-12-01 Thread Craig Weinberg
I'm a fan of semiotics as well. Not to be the nit-picking guy but, since we are talking about symbols and clear communication, it's not technically true to say that Peirce developed semiotics or that Saussure's work is called semiosis. I think of semoisis as referring to the actual process by

Re: Against Mechanism

2012-12-01 Thread meekerdb
On 12/1/2012 12:52 PM, John Clark wrote: Again there is nothing special about an observer in this, the same thing would happen if nobody looked at the film, or even if you used a brick wall instead of film, because the important thing is not that the photon makes a record

Re: Climate change

2012-12-01 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 09:03:35AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Be that as it may, even a study over the last millenium would be based on inadequate data compared to the data from the Vostok ice cores. The hockey stick data used by Gore and others could possibly be a

Re: The sad state of modern science

2012-12-01 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/1/2012 12:25 PM, Roger Clough wrote: * http://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-black/essays-and-commentaries/the-sad-state-of-modern-science November 29, 2012 at 9:27 AM The sad state of modern science

Re: Climate change

2012-12-01 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/1/2012 7:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 09:03:35AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Be that as it may, even a study over the last millenium would be based on inadequate data compared to the data from the Vostok ice cores. The hockey stick data used

Re: Climate change

2012-12-01 Thread meekerdb
On 12/1/2012 5:50 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 7:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 09:03:35AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Be that as it may, even a study over the last millenium would be based on inadequate data compared to the data from the

Re: Climate change

2012-12-01 Thread Stephen P. King
On 12/1/2012 9:18 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 5:50 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 7:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 09:03:35AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Be that as it may, even a study over the last millenium would be based on

Re: Climate change

2012-12-01 Thread meekerdb
On 12/1/2012 6:42 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 9:18 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/1/2012 5:50 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 12/1/2012 7:19 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 09:03:35AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Be that as it may, even a study